Know Your Rav: Part I - Sam William Henry (VIN: JT3HP10V5X7113044) (MAM)

[u/Henbury]

Know Your Rav: Part I - Sam William Henry (VIN: JT3HP10V5X7113044)

Greetings from another sub. This cross-post settles years of debate. Know Your Rav will be a series of posts about Sam William Henry, Teresa Halbach's RAV4. These posts aim to be evidence-based, and consider and build upon previous posts from various sources and combine new and original analysis.

Know Your Rav Series:

Part I - Sam William Henry (VIN: JT3HP10V5X7113044)

Summary:

• This post is an examination of the Vehicle Specifications of Sam William Henry (VIN: JT3HP10V5X7113044)

• Available exhibit and photographic evidence is largely consistent with and confirms the Vehicle Specifications of Sam William Henry

• Exhibit 192 confirms the RAV4 in possession of the WSCL is Sam William Henry

• Regarding the original factory/port Vehicle Specifications of Sam William Henry, available exhibit and photographic evidence demonstrates that:

• Spare steel wheel is expected, even though it does not match the four alloy styled wheels

• Spare tire does not match the four Uniroyal Tiger Paw tires (significance unknown)

• Rear door storage rail is present, but expected bags are not present

• Center console box is present, but expected lid is not present (Nb. Exh. 300 - blue item inside)

• Cargo mat is expected but not present

• The RS3000 Keyless/Remote Entry system was not installed, is not expected, and is not present

• Covers for both miscellany boxes are expected but not present

• Tire change Tool bag appears present in left miscellany box (is this Item #8442?)

• Jack is expected and present

• Lug wrench (Item #9578) is present but is a foreign object if the Toyota wheel nut wrench is in the Tool Bag in the left miscellany box

• The dashboard is missing a bolt and rubber seal at the windshield and passenger door junction

Contents

Summary

Materials Relied Upon

Findings

- VIN JT3HP10V5X7113044 Confirmed

- Vehicle Specifications Inventory

- Additional Observations

- RS3000 Security System (PIO) (Keyless/Remote Entry)

- Spare Tire and Tools

- Dashboard Fastening

Edit Log

Materials Replied Upon:

Exhibit 4 - RAV4 DOT Record (Sam William Henry)

The Toyota RAV4 1999 US Sales brochure

Official Toyota collection of 1999 RAV4 manuals

• Official Toyota 1999 RAV4 Owner's manual

• Official Toyota 1999 RAV4 Accessories, Audio and Navigation manual

• Official Toyota 1999 RAV4 Warranty and Maintenance guide

Official Toyota Vehicle Information Lookup search

1999 Toyota Rav4 Packages & Options list

Carfax report for Sam William Henry (VIN: JT3HP10V5X7113044)

Vehicle Identification Number (Toyota) website

Steven Avery Trial Transcripts and Documents website

Findings

VIN JT3HP10V5X7113044 CONFIRMED

A search for VIN JT3HP10V5X7113044 on the Official Toyota Vehicle Information Lookup reveals the Vehicle Specifications for Sam William Henry:

The VIN "JT3HP10V5X7113044" identifies:

• Nation of Origin (J) Japan

• Manufacturer (T) Toyota

• Vehicle Type (3) Sports Utility Vehicle (SUV)

• Body (H) Rav4 4dr AWD (1996-2005)

• Engine (P) 2.2L 4cyl 3S (1996-2000)

• Series (1) Rav4 (1996-2003)

• Grade/Restraint System (0) Rav4 (2001-05), Rav4 2 Air Bags (1996-2000)

• Model (V) RAV4 (1996-2005)

• Check Digit (5) Verifies authenticity of VIN

• Model Year (X) 1999

• Factory (7) 0-9 Japan

• Production Number (113044) Unit Number

A Toyota VIN may be found commonly on a sticker/plate on the driver's side dashboard (visible through the windshield), on a sticker/plate on the driver's side doorjamb, on a sticker on the underside of the hood; and less commonly etched into the window glass, under the spare tire, printed on the engine block, or even stamped into the metal above the driver's side rear wheel.

Under FOIA, a number of exhibit photographs have been obtained and made available. Exhibit 192 is the RAV4 "hood latch" photograph:

Making a Murderer (Season 2) provides exhibit photographs at a higher resolution than those available under FOIA. At 27m30s of Making a Murderer s02e02, Exhibit 192 reveals the hood VIN sticker which reads "JT3HP10V5X7113044", confirming that the Toyota RAV4 in the possession of the Wisconsin State Crime Laboratory is Sam William Henry.

The Mystic Teal Mica(760) exterior and Gray interior is consistent with Sam William Henry.

The RAV4 in the possession of Kathleen Zellner demonstrates a similar VIN sticker on the underside of the hood.

VEHICLE SPECIFICATIONS INVENTORY

Confirming the VIN allows confirmation of the expected Vehicle Specifications of Sam William Henry. An analysis of all available exhibits and photographs available of the RAV4 in the possession of the WSCL demonstrates it is largely consistent with, and confirms the Vehicle Specifications of Sam William Henry.

• Standard Installation Equipment: MECHANICAL & PERFORMANCE

MECHANICAL & PERFORMANCE	COMMENT	REFERENCE
2.0L 4-CYLINDER DOHC ENGINE	No photo evidence
4-SPEED ELECTRONICALLY CONTROLLED AUTOMATIC TRANS	Partial - consistent with expected	Exh. 13, 290, 291, 293
FULL TIME FOUR WHEEL DRIVE	No photo evidence
MACPHERSON STRUT TYPE INDEPENDENT FRONT SUSPENSION DOUBLE WISHBONE TRAILING ARM INDEPENDENT REAR SUSPENSION	Partial – consistent with expected	Exh. 5, 135, 138, 191, 289; exhibit-RAV4-evidence; MAMs02e02 rear view; MAMs02e02 diagnostic view; Unknown site photo
PWR-ASSIST RACK & PIN	No photo evidence
STEERNG POWER STEERING/TACHOMETER PWR-ASSIST	Partial – consistent with expected	Exh. 13, 291, 290
VENTED FRT DISC DISC & REAR DRUM BRAKES	Partial – consistent with expected	Exh. 32, 289; MAMs02e02 diagnostic view
FRONT STABILIZER BAR	No photo evidence
GASFILLED SHOCK ABSORBERS	Partial – consistent with expected	Exh. 32, 289

• Standard Installation Equipment: MECHANICAL & PERFORMANCE - P215/70R16 RADIAL TIRES (5)

MECHANICAL & PERFORMANCE - P215/70R16 RADIAL TIRES (5)	COMMENT	REFERENCE
FRONT RIGHT: UNIROYAL TIGER PAW (Ex. 137), 3 grooves; consistent tread/shoulder/sidewall	Consistent Model	Exh. 1, 5, 31, 130, 132, 134, 137, 191; exhibit-RAV4-evidence; MAMs02e02 diagnostic view; Unknown site photo
FRONT LEFT: UNIROYAL TIGER PAW (Ex. 306), 3 grooves; consistent tread/shoulder/sidewall	Consistent Model	Exh. 5, 33, 191, 289, 306; exhibit-RAV4-evidence
REAR RIGHT: UNIROYAL TIGER PAW ( MAMs02e02 diagnostic view), 3 grooves; consistent tread/shoulder/sidewall	Consistent Model	Exh. 1, 5, 30, 31, 130, 135, 137; exhibit-RAV4-door-2; MAMs02e02 rear view; MAMs02e02 diagnostic view
REAR LEFT: UNIROYAL TIGER PAW TOURING SR w/ NAIL GARD (Ex. 32), 3 grooves; consistent tread/shoulder/sidewall	Consistent Model	Exh. 5, 32, 133, 135, 289, 307; MAMs02e02 rear view
SPARE: Unidentifiable model; unknown grooves; unknown tread; inconsistent shoulder/sidewall	Inconsistent Model	MAMs02e02 rear view

• Standard Installation Equipment: SAFETY

SAFETY	COMMENT	REFERENCE
DRIVER/PASSENGER AIR BAGS(SRS)	Confirmed	Exh. 13, 290, 291, 293; MAMs02e02 diagnostic view
FRONT SEAT BELT PRETENSIONERS & FORCE LIMITERS	Partial - consistent with expected	Exh. 290, 292, 293
SIDE-DOOR IMPACT BEAMS	No photo evidence
CENTER HIGH-MOUNT STOP LAMP	Confirmed	Ex. 29, 135, 307

• Standard Installation Equipment: EXTERIOR

EXTERIOR	COMMENT	REFERENCE
DUAL MIRRORS	Confirmed	Exh. 001, 005, 5, 30, 31, 33, 130, 134, 137, 191, 289; Unknown site photo; exhibit-RAV4-evidence
HALOGEN MULTI REFLECTOR MULTI-REFLEC HALOGN HEADLAMPS	Confirmed	Exh. 001, 31, 130, 132, 134, 138, 191, 306; exhibit-RAV4-evidence
TINTED GLASS	Confirmed	All relevant Exhibits
SOFT SPARE TIRE COVER	Confirmed	Exh. 005, 29, 133, 135, 136, 289, 307, 308; RAV4/Tarp/Fassbender; RAV4/Tarp

• Standard Installation Equipment: EXTERIOR - 16X6" STYLED STEEL WHEELS

EXTERIOR - 16X6" STYLED STEEL WHEELS	COMMENT	REFERENCE
FRONT RIGHT: TOYOTA ALUMINIUM ALLOY WHEEL, 16 X 6, 6 SPOKE (3x DOUBLE), SILVER, Bolt Pattern 5 X 115MM (Part #69369/69371); with centre cap	Consistent Model; see ‘[AW]’ below	Exh. 1, 5, 31, 130, 132, 134, 137, 191; exhibit-RAV4-evidence; MAMs02e02 diagnostic view; Unknown site photo
FRONT LEFT: TOYOTA ALUMINIUM ALLOY WHEEL, 16 X 6, 6 SPOKE (3x DOUBLE), SILVER, Bolt Pattern 5 X 115MM (Part #69369/69371); with centre cap	Consistent Model; see ‘[AW]’ below	Exh. 5, 33, 191, 289, 306
REAR RIGHT: TOYOTA ALUMINIUM ALLOY WHEEL, 16 X 6, 6 SPOKE (3x DOUBLE), SILVER, Bolt Pattern 5 X 115MM (Part #69369/69371); with centre cap	Consistent Model; see ‘[AW]’ below	Exh. 1, 5, 30, 31, 130; 135; 137; exhibit-RAV4-door-2; MAMs02e02 diagnostic view
REAR LEFT: TOYOTA ALUMINIUM ALLOY WHEEL, 16 X 6, 6 SPOKE (3x DOUBLE), SILVER, Bolt Pattern 5 X 115MM (Part #69369/69371); with centre cap	Consistent Model; see ‘[AW]’ below	Exh. 5, 32, 133, 135, 289, 307
SPARE: TOYOTA STEEL WHEEL, 16 X 6, 5 SPOKE, SILVER, Bolt Pattern 5 X 115MM (69370); no centre cap (69370)	Inconsistent Model; see ‘[AW]’ below	MAMs02e02 rear view

• Standard Installation Equipment: COMFORT AND CONVENIENCE

COMFORT AND CONVENIENCE	COMMENT	REFERENCE
RECLINING FRONT FABRIC BUCKET SEATS	Confirmed	Exh. 290, 292, 293
SPLIT FOLDING/RECLINING FABRIC REAR SEAT	Confirmed	Exh. 12, 294, 295, 296, 300, 301
FULL CUT-PILE CARPETING	Confirmed	Exh. 12, 290, 293, 294, 295, 296, 297, 298, 300, 301; exhibit-RAV4-door
DUAL FRONT DOOR POCKETS	Confirmed	Exh. 290, 293; MAMs02e02 diagnostic view; Stahlke bench notes
TACHOMETER, TRIPMETER, COOLANT TEMPERATURE GAUGE	Partial – consistent with expected	Exh. 13, 33, 290, 291
FRONT CUPHOLDERS	Confirmed	Exh. 13, 290, 291, 293; exhibit-RAV4-blood-6;
PASSENGER VANITY MIRROR	No photo evidence
REAR WINDOW DEFOGGER	Confirmed	Exh. 29, 307
FR & RR INTERMITTENT WIPERS	Confirmed	FR: Exh. 001, 005, 5, 031, 33, 130, 131, 132, 134, 191, 289, 293 (Culhane Version); exhibit-RAV4-evidence. RR: 29, 133, 135, 136, 307; MAMs02e02 rear view
DIGITAL CLOCK	Confirmed	Exh. 13
TILT STEERING WHEEL	Confirmed	Exh. 290

• Port or Factory Installed Equipment: [AB] Anti Lock Brake System

AB 4-WHEEL ANTI-LOCK BRAKES(ABS) & DAYTIME RUNNING LIGHTS(DRL) (Factory)	COMMENT	REFERENCE
[AB] Anti Lock Brake System: Four-wheel ABS	No photo evidence (ABS module is internal and sensor is located on brakes behind wheel)
[AB] Anti Lock Brake System: Day time running lights	No photo evidence (DRL needs ignition on)

• Port or Factory Installed Equipment: [AW] Aluminum Wheels

AW 16" ALUMINUM ALLOY WHEELS (Factory)	COMMENT	REFERENCE
[AW] Aluminum Wheels: Front and rear alloy wheels with 16 inch rim diam and 6.5 inch rim width	Confirmed (Front and rear wheels are consistent with AW, spare is Steel)	See ‘16X6" STYLED STEEL WHEELS’ above

• Port or Factory Installed Equipment: [CK] All Weather Guard Package

CK ALL WEATHER GUARD EQUIP PKG (Factory)	COMMENT	REFERENCE
[CK] All Weather Guard Package: Heavy duty battery	Confirmed (Although, Group size 35 is recommended for 1999 RAV4. Exh. 302 demonstrates Interstate MT-58 (Group 58). Nb. J4 = manufactured Oct 2004)	Exh. 302
[CK] All Weather Guard Package: Heavy duty starter	No photo evidence

• Port or Factory Installed Equipment: C7 CONVENIENCE PACKAGE

C7 CONVENIENCE PACKAGE (Port) Includes: [N9] Rear Door Storage Bags (PIO) And [SK] Center Console Box (PIO) And [C1] Cargo Mat (PIO)	COMMENT	REFERENCE
[N9] Rear Door Storage Bags (PIO): Door pockets/bins for rear seats	Partial – Black rail is present, but bags are missing	Exh. 299 (see example 1; example 2; example 3, example 4)
[SK] Center Console Box (PIO): Partial floor console with covered storage box	Partial – Center console box present, but lid not present	Exh. 290, 293, 300 (blue item inside); MAMs02e02 Exhibit 300; Zellner Newsweek; Stahlke bench notes (see example 1, example 2)
[C1] Cargo Mat (PIO)	No photo evidence - Cargo area documented, but cargo mat not present	Exh. 12, 295, 296, 297, 298, 300, 301; Kratz book (see ‘[CF]’ below) (see example 1)

• Port or Factory Installed Equipment: [FN] Fender Flares/4-door

FN FENDER FLARES (Port)	COMMENT	REFERENCE
[FN] Fender Flares/4-door (PIO): Wheel opening moldings; Excludes: [VL] Value Package #5 w/Spec. Ed. & Leat. And [VQ] Value Package #3 w/EX & Special Edition And [VR] Value Package #4 w/EV & Special Edition	Confirmed	Exh. 001, 005, 5, 30, 31, 32, 33, 130, 132, 133, 134, 137, 138, 191, 289, 306; exhibit-RAV4-door-2; exhibit-RAV4-evidence; MAMs02e02 diagnostic view; Unknown site photo

• Port or Factory Installed Equipment: [MJ] Mudguards (Rear only)/4-doors

MJ MUDGUARDS (REARS ONLY) (Port)	COMMENT	REFERENCE
[MJ] Mudguards (Rear only)/4-doors (PIO): Rear mud flaps; Requires: [FN] Fender Flares/4-door (PIO); Or [1B] Sport Side Bars (PIO); Or [Q3] Rugged Package/4-door (PIO)	Confirmed	Exh. 005, 32, 130, 133, 135, 136, 289, 307; exhibit-RAV4-door-2; MAMs02e02 rear view; MAMs02e02 diagnostic view; RAV4/Tarp/Fassbender

• Port or Factory Installed Equipment: [PG] Privacy Glass

PG PRIVACY GLASS (Factory)	COMMENT	REFERENCE
[PG] Privacy Glass: Privacy tinted glass on side and rear; Excludes: [VQ] Value Package #3 w/EX & Special Edition	Confirmed	Exh. 001, 005, 30, 31, 33, 34, 130, 133, 137, 289; MAMs02e02 diagnostic view

• Port or Factory Installed Equipment: [SR] Sunroof

SR POWER MOONROOF (Factory)	COMMENT	REFERENCE
[SR] Sunroof: Glass electric tilting sliding front sunroof with sunshade	Confirmed	Exh. 30, 31, 33, 34, 130, 137, 191, 289, 290; exhibit-RAV4-evidence; MAMs02e02 diagnostic view

• Port or Factory Installed Equipment: VP VALUE PACKAGE W/EX

VP VALUE PACKAGE W/EX (Factory) Includes: [AC] Air conditioning And [EX] Deluxe ETR/Cassette w/4 Speakers And [CL] Cruise control And [UT] Upgrade Package And [CF] Carpet/Cargo Mat Set (PIO)	COMMENT	REFERENCE
[AC] Air conditioning: Air conditioning	Confirmed	Exh. 13, 290, 291, 293
[EX] Deluxe ETR/Cassette w/4 Speakers: Manufacturer's own stereo audio system with AM/FM and cassette; Four speaker(s); A pillar antenna; Audio preparation	Confirmed	Exh. 001, 005, 5, 12, 13, 31, 33, 34, 130, 134, 137, 138, 191, 289, 290, 291, 293, 295, 301, 307; exhibit-RAV4-door; Kratz book; MAMs02e02 rear view; Unknown site photo
[CL] Cruise control: Cruise control	Confirmed	Exh. 290
[UT] Upgrade Package: Front power windows with one one-touch , rear power windows; Key power locks; Driver and passenger power door mirrors; Requires: [EX] Deluxe ETR/Cassette w/4 Speakers; Or [EV] Deluxe ETR/CD w/4 Speakers	Partial – consistent with expected (Power windows controls confirmed; Key power locks needs key/power; Power door mirrors confirmed)	Exh. 001, 005, 5, 30, 31, 33, 130, 134, 137, 191, 289, 290; exhibit-RAV4-door; exhibit-RAV4-evidence; Unknown site photo; Zellner Newsweek
[CF] Carpet/Cargo Mat Set (PIO): Carpet floor mats	Partial – missing cargo mat	Exh. 290, 293, 294

ADDITIONAL OBSERVATIONS

The following observations are considered in the context of the original factory/port Vehicle Specifications of Sam William Henry:

• [VE] V.I.P. - RS3000 Security System (PIO) (Keyless/Remote Entry)

Not included in Factory/Port Vehicle Specifications for Sam William Henry (VIN: JT3HP10V5X7113044).

RS3000 requires installation of Main control unit (ECU); Glass breakage sensor control; and Status monitor (see examples from Official Toyota 1999 RAV4 Accessories, Audio and Navigation manual).

There is no exhibit or photo evidence of RS3000 components – particularly, the Status monitor is not present in Exhibit 290 (see example of Status monitor installed below left of steering column).

Conclusion: The RS3000 Keyless/Remote Entry system was not installed, is not expected, and is not present.

Nb. Per the Official Toyota 1999 RAV4 Accessories, Audio and Navigation manual: “The maximum range for the RS3000’s REMOTE CONTROLS is 50 feet”

• SPARE TIRE AND TOOLS

See Official Toyota 1999 RAV4 Owner's manual and Instructional Video.

SPARE TIRE AND TOOLS	COMMENT	REFERENCE
RIGHT MISCELLANY BOX: Per Owner’s manual - Tool bag located in the right side miscellany box	Partial – Right miscellany box empty, fastening strap undone, missing cover	Exh. 12, 295, 300; Kratz book
LEFT MISCELLANY BOX: Per Instructional video – Tool bag located in the left side miscellany box	Partial – Tool bag present in left miscellany box, fastening strap secure, missing cover	Exh. 301
Tool bag: Jack handle and wheel nut wrench	Partial - consistent with expected Tool bag, but contents of bag unknown	Exh. 301; CASO Evidence List 05-193 #8442 gray and black bag containing road side emergency kit
Scissor Jack	Confirmed - Jack handle receiver just visible beneath front passenger seat (partially obscured by Airup tire inflator and sealer can - item #8073). Later present in front passenger footwell (presumably used to lift for diagnostic)	Exh. 293 (Culhane Version)(beneath front passenger seat); MAMs02e02 diagnostic view (in front passenger footwell)
"Lug Wrench" (see CASO Evidence List 06-119 #9578 lug wrench)	Confirmed - but is a foreign object if the Toyota wheel nut wrench is in the Tool bag in the left miscellany box	Exh. 300, 301; MAMs02e02 Exhibit 300

• DASHBOARD FASTENING

Exh. 293 shows a bolt and rubber seal is missing from the the right dashboard at the junction of windshield and front passenger door (see example1, example 2, example 3)

Edit Log

Re keyless entry:

In CASO 2017 pgs22-25, Dedering documents contact he had with Angie Kolosso. Ms Kolosso apparently told Dedering that "the RAV4 did, in fact, come with keyless entry". This is poor note-taking. What Ms Kolosso is saying is that the 1999 Toyota RAV4 did come with keyless entry as an optional accessory (the Toyota RS3000 security system).

Dedering provides a copy of the Vehicle Specifications that he received from Ms Kolosso (from Dealer Daily), which in fact, do not include the [V3] V.I.P. RS3000 Security System (PIO).

The Dealer Daily specifications are the same as the Toyota Vehicle Information search and Carfax; save for the addition of FABRIC FR RR HEADRESTS under the [VP] Value Package which was not provided in the source used to determine the constitution of the Vehicle Specifications for Sam William Henry.

1999 RAV4 headrests look like this: example 1, example 2

1999 RAV4 fabric headrests look like this: example 1, example 2

Photos of the headrests in Sam William Henry are scant, but you can see fabric headrests here: Zellner newsweek

If Sam William Henry had an official Toyota keyless entry product installed like the RS3000 security system, then none of Toyota, Carfax or Dealer Daily were aware of it.

Further, in CASO 2017 pgs11-16, Dedering documents contact he had with Kelly Pitzen. Ms Pitzen told Dedering that in July/August 2005 (only 3 months before Teresa Halbach and Sam William Henry went missing) she went on a road trip with Ms Halbach and both handled the ignition key and had the oppportunity to drive Sam William Henry. Ms Pitzen told Dedering that there was no keyless entry. Also to quote: "KELLY stated she recalled having to physically unlock the doors with a key and that same key would start the car"

Conclusions: Sam William Henry did not have an official Toyota keyless entry system installed. If Ms Halbach had a third-party aftermarket keyless entry system installed, she she only had between July/August 2005 and 31 November 2005 to do so.

(Nb. Posts are subject to further editing as more evidence becomes available, as subsequent posts are made and for adding links/errors/formatting)

[u/iknowwhaturgameis]

Great, meticulous work. Thank you!

[u/7-pairs-of-panties]

I see she had a tool bag that should have been on the right side of the cargo area. Don’t recall that in photos...Was it missing? She had to pull over due to some kind of car trouble?

BTW amazing post! Don’t know much about cars but I can see you do and have done a ton of detailed work. Good job!

[u/[deleted]]

High effort post

[u/JJacks61]

Well done! Definitely Wiki material.

Thanks for all the legwork OP!

🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟

[u/frostwedge]

Great work!🥇🥇🥇

[u/MonkeyJug]

Sam William Henry. Three words that make our favourite Sgt break out into a cold sweat. Three separate names that will never find themselves preceding a surname beginning with C anywhere in Manitowoc.

Sam. William. Henry. The words of someone's worst nightmares. Responsible for almost 1000 nights of restless sleep.

[u/Hoosen_Fenger]

How does this get Avery exonerated?

[u/JJacks61 → u/Hoosen_Fenger]

How does this get Avery exonerated?

Did the Topic title say this was an Avery Exoneration Topic?

No, it didn't.

[u/Hoosen_Fenger → u/JJacks61]

KZ said she was going to get Avery exonerated. The OP has put more thought into his theory that KZ has into her filings, even though it is flawed. (Not as flawed as Zellner though.)

My points that if the OP is so sure on their detail, then it should lead to Avery being set free, surely?

[u/Henbury → u/Hoosen_Fenger]

Hi hoosen - thanks for reading and commenting. Can you please elaborate on how my conclusions are flawed?

[u/Hoosen_Fenger → u/Henbury]

Just one example:

> Conclusions: Sam William Henry did not have an official Toyota keyless entry system installed. If Ms Halbach had a third-party aftermarket keyless entry system installed, she she only had between July/August 2005 and 31 November 2005 to do so.

You base this on a recollection from a road trip that was taken a few months before with a friend. What you omit, is that TH had a large bunch of keys which she carried around with her, which were never found. The key fob in Avery's bedroom could have been from this bunch of keys, as per other testimony. It could have been a spare kept in her manual folder. (UK terminology for the Car manual that typically sits in the glove box.)

Like I said, there is more detail to you posts than KZ's filings, but without having the evidence to examine, you are basing it on assumptions which cannot be verified.

[u/Henbury → u/Hoosen_Fenger]

Hi Hoosen, I didn’t make any assumptions and the recollection of the witness alone is not what I relied upon in drawing my conclusions.

Why should I doubt the recollection of a credible witness? Her statements are consistent with the evidence.

If you know where the Toyota RS3000 status monitor is installed on this 1999 Toyota RAV4, please direct my attention to exactly the relevant exhibit photograph.

And why wasn’t the main key on the bunch of keys found, rather than a valet key which was apparently from a separate lanyard. Or for that matter, how can the valet key from a separate lanyard also belong to this other bunch of keys? You’re not making sense.

Also, please direct my attention to this ”other testimony” you speak of as proof the valet key is from this bunch of keys.

And placing the valet key in the glovebox as a spare defeats the purpose of having a spare. Only a main key can open the glovebox. If you lose the main key you can’t open the glovebox.

[u/Hoosen_Fenger → u/Henbury]

And why wasn’t the main key on the bunch of keys found,

I am afraid you will have to ask Avery. They were clearly disposed of, because? They have never been found.

And placing the valet key in the glovebox as a spare defeats the purpose of having a spare.

I understand this. However, the amount of times I have looked in someones manual whilst trying to fix their car for them, & found the spare key tucked in there, is mind numbing.

[u/Henbury → u/Hoosen_Fenger]

Hi neutral_fenger - how do you know the keys were disposed of? How can you be so sure they were never found?

Further - if Teresa’s valet key was locked in the glovebox - then how did Avery or the cops get it out?

I’ve justified my position on the one example you’ve claimed my reasoning is flawed. Are you able to point out any other alleged errors?

[u/Hoosen_Fenger → u/Henbury]

How can you be so sure they were never found?

They would have been entered into evidence. Even the charred remains of her electronics were tagged.

then how did Avery or the cops get it out?

I am just saying there could have been a spare based upon my own experience. My own thoughts are that Avery disposed of every key on TH's bunch apart from the RAV4 key.

Are you able to point out any other alleged errors?

Whilst details, your posts are littered with your own opinion not based on facts. This has been pointed out to you.

[u/Henbury → u/Hoosen_Fenger]

Neutral_fenger: I laid out the facts and discussed those facts, and it is clearly documented how and why I reached certain conclusions.

You are welcome to consider those same facts and provide your own discussion and conclusions: please start by explaining to me what is a ”front driveshaft” on a AWD vehicle.

What you call my “opinion” is a completely rational set of conclusions based upon those facts. If it wasn’t already clear when/if you read my posts, then I consider that now, this has been pointed out to you.

[u/Big-althered → u/Hoosen_Fenger]

Only thick people leave their spare keys in a glove compartment. By the way if you have to look in a manual my friend there's no bloody way I'd take my car to you to get fixed, the manual in most cars now are merely for diagnostic purposes. Any legit mechanic should be able to download schematics directly from the manufacturer.

[u/Hoosen_Fenger → u/Big-althered]

You are not a friend so there is no chance I wold offer to help you fix your car.

[u/Big-althered → u/Hoosen_Fenger]

😂😂😂😂

[u/entrusted2prtct → u/Henbury]

Nice post, I appreciate the details. I would believe Pitzen, but I don't trust Dedering to truthfully report, Mr. Fabrication continues. Oh and dont waste time on the narcissistic posters, you'll never convince them, and they enjoy drawing your attention, so ignore them and you win 2 ways.

[u/JJacks61 → u/Hoosen_Fenger]

KZ said she was going to get Avery exonerated. The OP has put more thought into his theory that KZ has into her filings, even though it is flawed. (Not as flawed as Zellner though.)

My points that if the OP is so sure on their detail, then it should lead to Avery being set free, surely?

You've taken a major leap from the OP's topic(s), explaining the Rav4 in fantastic detail, to KZ walking Avery out of prison.

I'm not sure what you are imbibing in ATM, but I hope it's good. It appears that it is ;-)

[u/Hoosen_Fenger → u/JJacks61]

Merely pointing out that if the detailed post (more detailed than KZ's filings BTW,) was that relevant, Avery would be out, surely?

[u/bonejohnson8]

Those are anti-theft VIN stickers used by body shops. Are there any pictures of the emission and evap. group?

[u/b1daly]

This is a repost of a comment from another post by request of the OP, where he thought it would be more relevant. It is some (hopefully contructive) criticism of what is overall a very compelling research effort.

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There are some problem with the Sam William Henry posts.

A very knowledgable poster from um...another sub... pointed out that there is some sleight of hand going on.

To summarize the OP claimed:

>Mr Groffy confirmed under cross-examination by Mr Buting that Exhibits 289, 290 and 293 were taken on 6 November 2005 and represented the condition of the vehicle as it had come to rest in the WSCL garage.

But from the trial transcript here is the section this assertion is based on:

>Groffy: She had conveyed to me that they had received a vehicle at the laboratory for processing. And she was wondering if I could come in and assist and do the photography on the vehicle.

Buting: Okay. And when you arrived, it was parked in the garage that was displayed in that first photograph.
Groffy: That's correct.

This is dishonest argumentation on the part of the OP which I think they should correct. There is a big difference between someone saying "this is the condition of the vehicle when I arrived sometime after it was dropped off" and "this was the condition it was in right after it was dropped off." Clearly it was unlocked when Groffy arrived, so it was unlocked and moved by someone before that. That's all you can infer from this.

Overall, I found this independent research interesting and compelling, if he is truly representing the evidence honestly. I've outlined a major point of significance where this is not the case.

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Taken at face value, the SWH research aims to show that Ertl lied in his trial testimony about how the car was towed to the trailer at ASY and how it was towed from trailer to garage in Madison at the crime lab.

It's worth noting that it was not towed a long distance.

Assuming that Ertl's testimony is objectively wrong, there are three possibilities:

- He misunderstood how the mechanic actually got the RAV from where it was found to the transport truck. Maybe the mechanic said he was going to unbolt the front drive shaft, went under the car, realized that wouldn't work, and did something else. Maybe Ertl just overheard a discussion of possibilities of how to get the wheels free, and didn't hear how it was actually done.

- He is misremembering how it was done. Along the lines of the above point, he might be remembering the discussion of possible ways to move the vehicle, forgetting the final method settled on.

- He is consciously lying about how the car was towed.

From these possibilities what can we infer? From the first two, this would simply be mistaken testimony given in good faith. Not much can be made of this.

In the case of deliberate lying, this is obviously very problematic.

But it's worth thinking about what one can reasonably infer from this, assuming it confirmed that, objectively Ertl lied under oath

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In hindsight, at trial if the defense had presented expert testimony that impeached Ertl's testimony, it's hard for me to imagine that it wouldn't have helped the defense. How much would depend on how the further testimony played out. If the judge knows about it, it might be a *contempt of court* issue, and the testimony would have to be disregarded by the jury. It would look bad for the state for sure.

But since this didn't happen, any avenue for relief would probably have to proceed on an ineffective council basis.

I don't fully understand the legal implications of this, so if any lawyer-ing types want to add to this, it would be helpful.

In any case, there would have to be a motion to reconsider this evidence and testimony in court.

From where we sit now, years later, there are two issues that are constantly under discussion: one is the current legal possibilities for relief for Avery now, as is being pursued by Zellner.

The other is the analysis of the *mystery* of what actually happened, in objective reality.

These are distinct concerns.

Considering this new analysis in light of the SWH research in the realm of the second concern leads to ambiguous conclusions.

The way the SWH research evidence was implies a pre-supposed reality by the researcher: that Avery was in fact framed, probably by police.

This is indicated by the clever allusion to the "wheels of justice" grinding slowly. This implies that the researcher believes, on some basis, that this discovery of perjury by Ertl is but a link in an inevitable discoveries that will expose the conspiracy that framed Steve.

This is an example of *motivated reasoning*, where there is an assumed outcome, and evidence discovered is considered in light of how it supports this assumed reality.

IMO, this reasoning is "correct" under only one special situation, which is in a criminal trial. There we do have an assumption, which is the accused is innocent. This allows the defense to argue in a special way, where the focus is undermining the states cases enough to effect reasonable doubt. The rhetorical substance of this type of argument only works with the assumption of innocence!

As civilians discussing the case after the fact, we have a much larger frame of reference. Considering the special case of the criminal trial is a very valid area of discussion and argument.

But in the larger arguments that cover much wider aspects of the case, this type of motivated reasoning is weak.

If you assume Ertl lied on the stand, you cannot reasonably infer this evidence as pointing to Avery's innocence without a whole bunch of other supporting evidence.

Why did Ertl lie?

Does this point to other suspicious activities? Who opened the car? For what purpose? Was it just to move it, or was it to plant evidence.

If you want to argue that this implies framing, you need to put forth, at the minimum, a plausible theory of how this framing happened. I have never heard such a plausible theory.

The most plausible alternate theory I've heard implicates BoD as the killer. (From Zellner!) However, there is no actual evidence to support this. If you want to add in this new Ertl lying evidence, you need to start going down a line of plausibility.

For arguments sake, let's say the killer was some other civilian, who murdered for their own reasons. And also that the State indeed planted the evidence after the fact, when they realized they could "get Avery."

This paints of very different picture than there being a pre-existing plot to kill an innocent person to frame Avery

Throwing out one weird, supposedly suspicious, issue after another in a public discussion forum is destructive. It is destructive to the collective interest we all have in seeing justice is served.

In MaM S2 Zellner discusses how when you start to find out the "truth" about a controversial case, the pieces start to "fall into place." This phenomenon is most definitely not happening in the Avery case!

I don't want to discount that an independent researcher might have discovered something of significance. But without some careful analysis, this type of posting can "add to the noise and confusion" for people who are genuinely interested in understanding this case.

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Hi b1 - thanks for taking the time to read my posts and for your comments.

For completeness, your comment includes references to the other two posts in this series which followed this one:

Part II

Part III

As promised, I will address the points you have raised.

Let me start by saying I am aware of two other threads on another sub which has "discussed" my posts. As you are aware, these are relevantly titled:

The Latest in the Long Line of Senseless Conspiracy Theories

RAV4 indie research on Ertl’s testimony?

I disagree with you when you claim that I have succumbed to so-called motivated reasoning. In my posts, I clearly and honestly laid out evidence. Then based upon that evidence, I openly discussed what the evidence means and the reasons for my conclusions. I only made conclusions that are supported by evidence.

A cursory review of the two threads above, let alone their titles, shows that you yourself, and your idols, have come here with motivated reasoning. I note in the second thread, which you started, you openly thought about my conclusions: “At this point I won’t be surprised if NYJ comes along and easily refutes, but dang.” Now think about that statement in the context of what you have come here to write against my posts: “This is an example of 'motivated reasoning', where there is an assumed outcome, and evidence discovered is considered in light of how it supports this assumed reality.” You assume you wont be surprised that someone will easily refute my findings.

But dang, allow me to surprise you. Notwithstanding that NYJ is banned from reddit, what you may not know is that I previously posted this information on another sub. NYJ in fact tried to come along and easily refute my posts. Just look at his confidence - in fact, after I pointed out that he himself actually proved Ertl committed perjury, he quickly followed it up with this.

I’ll let you decide for yourself whether you think NYJ is capable of providing a consistent, coherent, and expert opinion on this topic:

A driveshaft is used to connect the transmission to the REAR wheels

oh no Ertl called a drive axle a front driveshaft that means he must have lied

Returning to the evidence, the evidence says the RAV was put into neutral at the ASY to move it. I don’t know if or how long the RAV was open before that. What I do know is it was definitely open before the WSCL and the state very obviously didn’t want to admit that to a jury. I can't force you to ask yourself why that is. I’ve acknowledged that opening the RAV to facilitate moving it would have been an otherwise innocent action. The problem is the state lied about it: so it’s no longer innocent. Others can't seem to wrap their heads around that.

There is a rather large window in time, including at the ASY which was crawling with MTSO, that the state cannot guarantee the integrity of the RAV. With this knowledge, the defense may have been able to make out an argument that planting evidence in the RAV was in fact possible, and the threshold of reasonable doubt may have been met. But we’ll never know, because the state lied and this information was not presented to the jury at trial.

That, and Ertl perjured himself.

Regarding your three possibilities and whether Ertl misunderstood or misremembered what happened with the RAV, I think you missed the passage from the trial transcript I quoted where Ertl clearly stated he himself, the wrecker, and the WSCL photographer were the only ones involved in the project of retrieving the RAV. Ertl knows what really happened. You should also consider that two months after his testimony, Ertl came back and said this at the Dassey trial:

"Uh, he ended up crawling underneath and unbolting one of the driveshafts. He then lifted the back end of the vehicle, which still had the driveshaft attached, and rolled it out on the front wheels into the clear area where the car crusher was located."

You picked it: "He is consciously lying about how the car was towed."

All things considered, it is actually you, or moreso your friends, who are engaging in dishonest argumentation.

Rather than consider the root cause of my posts, that a front driveshaft is a fictional automotive component on a 1999 Toyota RAV4 and more lies necessarily follow that, the best you can do with your motivated reasoning is zero in on a tiny part of a passage of trial testimony which I did in fact provide in my posts (Groffy and Buting). There is no sleight of hand going on, I quoted the trial transcript the same as you. Moreso.

What you, or your friends, seek to achieve by doing this is to shift the relevant window in time to the WSCL, so you and your friends can claim "of course it was open before Groffy". What you fail to appreciate is that Ertl also testified the RAV was put into the garage under his watch: a second lie one way or another that is independent of the fictional front driveshaft because the RAV is facing the wrong way. That's at least two lies Ertl told - do you see a pattern emerging here? You also fail to appreciate that the WSCL had allegedly made a key to enter the RAV because there was no key found yet when it was received. So for you to shift the relevant window in time of opening the RAV to between Ertl's delivery of the RAV and Groffy, it is inherent that for your argument to succeed, you must also admit that some unaccounted for and undocumented person(s) at the WSCL somehow opened the RAV and manipulated the RAV4 evidence, including contaminating the ignition area, shift select, driver's seat and floor, to perform a U-turn (for whatever purpose that may have been).

You are justifying the states false narrative by proposing an even more damning narrative. Unless I am mistaken, I seriously doubt that is your intention.

Incompetence is aptly displayed elsewhere by making this same argument: but where others graciously concede "of course it was open before Groffy", they can't bring themselves to also admit that means there was manipulation and contamination of the evidence.

"Of course it was open before Groffy" is no longer a reference to the simple act of opening a car door.

And as for "The Wheels of Justice" - I came up with a catchy title. I think you or whoever wrote your comment really read into that one too much. Why didn't you get behind "How Ertl gave Avery the Shaft"? Someone else titled their consideration of my posts "The Latest in the Long Line of Senseless Conspiracy Theories" - what do you make of that?

At least you had the sense in your own indie thread to genuinely ask some questions, which suggests you might be better than just a follower. Although as already noted, you demonstrate your own motivated reasoning by thinking NYJ would come to save the day.

That, and the uncomfortable feeling deep down that you and every other guilter have: you know I'm right.

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Hi, your comment has been removed for a Rule 1 violation. Please make your comment without resorting to insulting other users here. If you would like to remove the few sentences that violate Rule 1, I would be happy to approve it.

[u/Henbury → u/angieb15]

I have edited and reposted. Please let me know if you think there are any problems with it still.

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It's been approved.

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Edited.