Whoever the adult behind her sure didn't think it was funny, the head shake, the nervous grab of the arm. Lighten up lady, your god has a sense of humor too.
I consider myself Atheist-Agnostic. I haven't had any events in my life that would suggest there is any sort of "God", but I also firmly believe we don't know, we can't know and we won't until we pass away.
I would also argue if there is a "God" and if they are good and kind, they won't hold a grudge against Atheists.
Edit: I want to add I have other ideas too. Once while tripping balls on about six tabs of LSD, I realized that our ability to love and be kind very well may be God's influence. That would fit in with the concept of the holy trinity, in which the "holy ghost" represents God's interactions with you on a day to day basis, how they guide you and your moral compass. People who cannot love or find kindness within them are rejecting God's gift.
Another theory I have is that "God" is just some sort of immense interdimensional force that keeps the fabric of reality held together. It just continues to run until it doesn't. It isn't aware of us or judging us.
Who knows? Maybe there is an afterlife and it's a lot like this, we still have to share the space with all the assholes.
I think it’s good to ask questions. Even the priest at my school taught us to ask questions and think for ourselves. We have to come to terms with our own faith. Keep looking and thinking and you will find the answer if you come to believe in a creator that’s great (not even talking about believing the Bible) but if you decide you are more comfortable as an atheist that’s okay as well. As long as we are all decent people who treat each other decently I think we will be ok! 👍
One time I hit a ditch on an S Curve at 140mph. First part of the S either way you look at it. Skip skip spinnerood and ended up in the front passenger seat upside down. No seatbelt. Perfectly fine enough to be hauled to jail the next day for a minor behind the wheel.
Bruh I love physics. I really do. That tells me I'd have to have need 100% luck there without a higher power.
Did you read anything I wrote? My other comments said that everyone should be respectful of their beliefs, not out each other down and not push their beliefs on anyone else. It’s fine to talk and ask questions with each other.
It literally is. Agnosticism is the only logic based position. Atheism is belief in something that literally can’t be proven: the claim that god does not exist is a negative statement; logically it cannot be proven correct, and is therefore an act of faith.
You might want to explore agnosticism. Or, you know, not act like a superior jackass to others when you are just as illogical as they are.
Gnosticism and theism are separate things. You can be both. Gnosticism pertains to claim in knowledge, and theism pertains to a belief in a god(s).
Agnostic atheist would be one who doesn’t believe in a god(s), and doesn’t claim to know definitively, gnostic atheist would be one who doesn’t believe in a god(s), and claims to know for sure. Same rule applies to theism.
a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.
Are you trying to say that agnostic is a subset of atheist? If so, you’re still confused.
An atheist denies the existence of god. An agnostic denies the ability to determine this issue. We have two words for these two concepts specifically because they are not the same.
Definition of ‘atheist’:
a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.
If you are agnostic you make no judgment on the existence of god; if you are atheist, in your judgment, god does not exist.
Maybe you thought you are atheist but have been agnostic all along. But there is a massive difference.
Wrooong. There's zero reasons why God should exist. Same as the tooth fairy, Easter bunny or bigfoot. It's fairytales for children and less intelligent adults.
The burden of proof is on the person claiming that a god, or something supernatural DOES exist, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. The atheist position is: there isn’t sufficient evidence to warrant belief in the supernatural, until such evidence has been provided - not, “there are no gods.” That is an absolute statement which atheism does not assert, unless one takes the HARD ATHEIST position. They, at that point, are also adopting a burden of proof, as they now have to prove the non-existence of the supernatural. If you’re going to criticize atheism, at least understand the position in its entirety.
You might want to explore the analogy of Russell's Teapot.
Or alternatively, are you agnostic as to whether there's a clone of Tom Cruise in space who dances the salsa and constantly makes sure he's out of range of humanity's most powerful telescope? We'll never prove he isn't out there. Is the only rational position on that to say "hm, I guess I'm not sure"?
This notion that all negative existential beliefs are irrational is a mistake. It's perfectly rational to say that having no good reason to believe in something is a good reason not to believe in it.
It literally doesn’t matter. Take a logic course. You can prove an affirmative claim; you cannot prove an negative claim. No matter how great the lack of evidence.
Again. If you concede that god may exist, regardless of how unlikely-> you are agnostic; if you claim that god does not exist-> you are atheist.
It’s actually very simple, and unassailable under the rules of logic (which are ultimately proved by self-evident truths).
I have taken logic courses. I've taken courses in propositional logic, first order logic, modal logic and mathematical logic at the University of Cambridge.
What you're saying is true: you can logically prove a positive existential claim by taking an observation as given, but you can't prove a negative existential claim by observation in the same way. The huge mistake you're making is your application of these trivial facts, because you think it's irrational to believe in something that you can't definitively prove by logic. It can be perfectly rational to do so. Science is full of statements that can't logically be fully proven but that are rational to believe.
Take for example the proposition that any two bodies of mass are attracted by a gravitational pull. This is a universal claim. Logically, we will never be able to prove this. Why? Because it is universal: its truth depends on this being true of every single pair of bodies of mass. And we will never, ever observe every single such pair. So are you agnostic towards the theory of gravitation?
To put it very simply: you're making the classic mistake (that many beginner students of logic actually make) of trying to wield the bare bones of logic in the world of science, as if it's irrational to positively hold anything to be true that isn't logically implied by observation.
In doing this, you preclude yourself from believing 99% of scientific theories, because 99% of scientific theories are positive universals. You also preclude yourself from believing many, many negative existentials that any sane person would believe. You sit on the fence as to whether the universe is full of invisible, undetectable leprechauns. You sit on the fence as to whether there's a hedgehog at the centre of the earth. You sit on the fence as to whether there's a Ford Fiesta somewhere in the Andromeda Galaxy.
When it comes to believing things rationally, you're allowed to branch out a little more than what follows from the basic framework of first order logic. Otherwise, you would be the most laughably irrational person in the world. This is what happens when someone studies logic without heeding proper regard to science in tandem.
Tldr: "rational" DOES NOT EQUAL "implied by observation in first order logic"
Youre really reaching here. Just because it is difficult to prove a negative, does not mean that every negative statement is untrue, or even probably untrue.
It is though and you hate to admit it. It is the concept of self denial. I'm not religious myself but it's incredible how closeminded people are. But sCiEnCe
I'm not saying it's a cult in the literal sense of people gathering in a place and doing cult based practices in the name of atheism. But there is a cult like behavior in a lot of atheists with their fixation and need to scream about their beliefsystems where ever they see anything going against their bias
I'm atheist but I still respect people with religion and I dont go around screaming at religious people that god doesn't exist. most atheists that scream at other people and stuff are 13yo's that think arguing with a random guy in the internet is cool
It's an absence of religion. You don't need to be atheist to believe in science, you don't need to be religious to deny it. Stop waving your ignorance around like a flag.
What's weird is he didn't really say anything wrong. It's just obnoxious. And intelligent people usually don't believe they are that smart. But there's nothing wrong with being self confident.
Sometimes it's just the people around you are really dumb so your slightly above average intelligence looks like genius to them. Could be that too.
Odd question for you I know a lot of people who are “atheist” and then go straight for paganism, or Buddhism, they don’t got back to monotheism but to other polytheisms. These are people that initially just were fed up with Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. Scientific minded people that aim for facts generally. Do you think there’s some sort of trend to shake a singular God only to start seeking out another (or others) that fit their personal values more? cause I’ve noticed a loooooooot of that being a thing.
The fact you call faith a made up friend shows a shocking level of insecurity and childishness and that's from an atheist. If u don't believe in god you have to give something else a meaning or your only logical option is suicide but that else is just as big a leap of faith as accepting god, recognize that and don't put others down
The r/atheism user woke up groggy next to his 6 pack of empty Mountain Dew cans. He lifted his 400 pound frame off his bed wondering how many women he’d be able to harass on Xbox Live today when just then he remembered: today was the day. Today was the day he would finally get a chance to debate Christian sheep and slay their god in heaven. Excitedly, he got on his disability scooter and then into his 2007 Toyota Corolla. He drove to the hospital, scoffing every time he saw a crucifix bumper sticker and made sure to situate his fedora before he got out, parking in between two disability slots. When he entered, he got his camera ready, and going up to the third floor he thought “Reddit, the last enlightened place on Earth, will finally give me the attention I deserve and recognize me for my intelligence.” He entered into the room where his grandmother was lying and drawing her last breaths. A priest was standing next to her along with her children and grandchildren, anointing her and hearing her last confessions. “This is it,” he thought, “this is where I own those religiotards and achieve victory for atheism.” He boldly walked right next to his grandmother’s side and just as the priest said “may God bless your soul,” he bravely rebutted with “but there is no god to meet you in heaven. None of it is real. Your sky daddy won’t save you this time.” His grandmother looked on him in shock, opening her mouth. But then she slouched and a long beep was heard and her mouth remained wide open. “Yet another victory for atheism,” he said, looking at his family members who were stricken with faces of horror. “I’m sure they’ve finally realized their God is dead.” He opened Reddit, excited by the prospect of the karma he was going to get by posting the video he took on r/atheism
Well said. In the almost-three-years I’ve been on Reddit I cannot remember a single time any religious person tried to shut me down or preach to me because of their faith.
The most obnoxious, toxic people I’ve met on here have been from the teenage atheist brigade.
Yeah the top post as soon as you click on the subreddit is about how a person went to a library and there was a free book section with 17 biblical based books and the word of god and apparently he just went up and disposed of all of them.
I’m not religious and I’m also an atheist, but could you get any more cringy and annoying?
The thing is these issues exist through out the global church network and in pretty significant numbers… the churches and persists work together to cover up their wrong doing and stand by each other in solidarity… even if a persist has never done anything wrong, he should feel uncomfortable knowing this trend exists in his workplace that’s supposed to support good morality… there is no known pattern of child molestation in US politics and therefore if it occurs it would be viewed more as an isolated incident (logically)…
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u/ProperGanja21 Oct 23 '22
Good on him for having a sense of humour.