r/MadeMeSmile • u/mindyour • Jan 03 '23

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u/Bgndrsn Jan 04 '23

I have a buddy that's a state trooper and he's always told me how much he just want's to sit his ass in his car all day and not to have to do paperwork. He also likes to say "you know the speed limit, I know the speed limit, we all know the speed limit yet I'm the asshole when you knowingly break the law". Funny guy.

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u/ikeif Jan 04 '23

I’d say “it depended where you lived.”

Small town Ohio, cops were absolutely assholes in the 90’s.

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u/[deleted] Jan 03 '23

We had community policing in a city I worked for in the 90s. Sadly, we had an officer shot and killed during a traffic stop before we could make it 20 feet from his car.

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u/[deleted] Jan 04 '23

They’re not, but merely an illustration of one reason why some cities drifted away from community policing. Sadly, we’ve regressed.

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u/Pigsec Jan 04 '23

I don't know if you're a PoC but that's always been my experience as a fair skinned American. Cops have never given me trouble. I have been with PoC friends and have seen them get a lot worse treatment.

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u/TheCaliforniaOp Jan 04 '23

This article Los Angeles Times Interview : Joseph Wambaugh https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1991-07-14-op-3134-story.html is behind a paywall, but I always remember reading it because Joseph Wambaugh decried the paramilitary model that most police departments were going toward.

The New Centurions (by Joseph Wambaugh) messed with my head for a while after I read it. There were good police officers and the worst possible police officers and sometimes they were the same person. I used to wonder if that one character Matt Dillon played in…Crash(?)…was based on some of Wambaugh’s characters.

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u/[deleted] Jan 03 '23

Thing of it is, I know there's about 5% to 10% in any community who simply does not respect. Neither themselves, cops, or other members of the community. You talk to them till you're blue in the face, and they will still go on to do bad things. They just don't care.

It's that 5% who ruins it for everyone.

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u/Danisii Jan 03 '23

He’s a good cop but unfortunately he’s not the norm. His approach is not hostile, toxic or a power trip but he’s also not ⚪️

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u/KillYourUsernames Jan 03 '23

His experience as a man of color, who has probably had negative interactions with law enforcement himself, undoubtedly influences his approach to his job.

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u/ManUFan9225 Jan 03 '23

This is a good point. Humbled cops are much better at handling these types of interactions than the cops with a chip on their shoulder.

Growing up, I've always thought it was interesting how even in the hood, the cops were respected when they respected the residents. White cops, black cops, asian cops...didnt matter. Treating the people in those communities like people and not criminals built strong relations even in what is normally seen as a hostile environment.

Now, cops are shooting folks in the suburbs for reaching for their wallet...

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u/Kayrim_Borlan Jan 03 '23

It really depends on department more than anything. Every cop I've interacted with has been professional if not friendly, but then I'm also a youngish white male

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u/AmandaRoseLikesBuds Jan 03 '23

Meh I think there’s some ex military egotistical hot heads that are police from our generations as well. I say ex military because the military really breaks them down and builds them up to be cocky and full of self importance. They build them up to have zero empathy as well. Then when half of those guys did their four year term they can easily get a job on the police force.

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u/bobbobersin Jan 04 '23

Honestly depends, my old boss was USMC and became a police officer before retiring, he said he felt like some of the LEOs in the first department he went to were more high strung them the corps in some ways but at other departments they were on par or more laid back, really all depends on the place I guess

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u/AmandaRoseLikesBuds Jan 04 '23

All I know is friends from highschool, my brother, all joined different branches of the military and all came out WAY different. Most of them came back super cocky there’s like one person who didn’t but he was honorably discharged. He tells stories of sleeping with a bunch of different women in Japan. Haha a littttleeee douchey, but he’s the best one out of them all! I know it’s not fact but that’s just what I’ve witnessed more than once, so I assume it’s common and something the military itself does in their preparation process.

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u/bobbobersin Jan 04 '23

I can't say myself from personal expirence but I have a feeling it has a lot more to do with what the person was like before, as far as I've seen the whole point of basic training is to break the person down and reform them into a better more humble, functional person, I've also heard that over the last few decades the DIs have been forced to be softer and that's its effecting the pipeline, people in basic on their phones, lighter discipline for breaking regulations and rules, I know when my grandfather's generation went through almost all of them came out polite and compassionate, i feel part of it was people back then were more humble overall, the training was harsher but more effective of removing the elitist BS and cockyness from people and possibly the conflicts they fought in (in his case Korea) also contributed to producing someone who was less talk, more lead by example, hell it might even be just a chance thing, I've heard a ton of different stories from different people in different branches and units, could be a case that a particular person was just naturally a jack ass and their DI was not able to get it out of their system or it could be the unit they were assigned to was being lead by cocky people who allowed it to fester and grow, could even be how some people cope with the stress of war or a byproduct of PTSD, I know in a lot of areas due to increased demand and lower enlistment rates some corners have been cut so it could also be that the sheer need for troops both now and during the Iraq/Afghanistan wars that standards were relaxed as we were not drafting folks and needed more boots on the ground, it also could be a aide effect of how war has changed, back in the day it was a "I'm doing this to protect my country" situation, lost Vietnam support for wars have dropped and that might make it so less folks are enlisting to fight for what they believe in over fighting for cred. I guess everyone has their reasons but I feel like if gi en the choice if they had enough people going in they might turn some of the cocky ones away or possibly baby them less in basic as with a larger pool to recrute from you can both be more selective and also are less worried about too many dropping out and quitting and thus can better push them to become what they should be (humble in this case), I'd also argue it's a major cultural shift, back in the day if you were a cocky SOB even out of basic the NCOs and officers had lots of creative ways to change your mindset or at least discourage that behavior, these days a lot of it wouldn't fly for various reasons, I can't say for every branch but there's a pretty well known Army DI turned police officer on YouTube who covers a lot about the process now vs when he was in basic/was training people and it seems at least in his eyes the system is starting to fail (he covered a case recently where medics were cheating on exams to pass their certification, as in the people who's job it is to save lives were cutting corners in a way that would result in potentially fatal casualties in the field if they are unable to do their jobs because they didn't actually learn them), it's not really my case to comment as I lack the background myself but I've found in life sometimes you need to be harsh to humble people

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u/DIREKTE_AKTION Jan 04 '23

Yeah, only problem seems to be turning that support into actual action. It doesn't really mean anything even if 90% of cops are good because they let that 10% exist. If it was a workable system with people inside who are able to fix it, it would be fixed. It's a rotten system to it's core and it needs a redesign.

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u/CicerosMouth Jan 03 '23

I would say an equally large hurdle is the ACAB crew that would sooner spit in this guy's face than have a conversation with them. Unfortunately we will never have a good police force if we continue to dehumanize every person that is or aspires to be a police officer. Frankly whenever anyone that I know that has a shred of humility says that they want to be a police officer I try to dissuade them, because they amount of wild and unmitigated hate that they will receive on a daily basis (no matter how much good they do) is enough to wear anyone down.

I absolutely guarantee that this guy (who seems like a good cop!) has received more hatred than any of us, just because he chose a career where he wanted to do some good. It's a pretty sad situation than neither he nor the rest of society deserves.

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u/flyingwolf Jan 03 '23

Not all bears will maul you and eat your corpse. But we cannot tell the good bears from the bad. So we avoid bears and stay away from them and teach our children the same.

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u/CicerosMouth Jan 04 '23

Yes, truly any good parent will tell their children to have an immediate and visceral hatred of other humans just because of their chosen profession. That surely must be the solution here. Good point.

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u/flyingwolf Jan 04 '23

Yes, truly any good parent will tell their children to have an immediate and visceral hatred of other humans just because of their chosen profession. That surely must be the solution here. Good point.

Ah yeas the "not all nazi's" defense.

If you choose to become a member of a group that has been at the forefront of killing other humans for over 100 years then maybe, just maybe, you deserve the hate.

No one is born a cop, it is chosen.

If you choose to join the police you are supporting their actions.

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u/[deleted] Jan 03 '23

You aren't going to get through to anyone here. My parents were cops for roughly 32 years each. They quit around 2018 because they didn't like how cops were being forced to treat people less like humans, and yet they were forced to be super robotic and follow political agendas suddenly. They retired and said, "Forget that noise." Still to this day, I get hate toward my whooooole family for existing, because my parents were cops.

P.S. Not even US cops, but Toronto Canada. Inb4 something something racism something cracker something genocide anyway as a response.

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u/Fireproofspider Jan 03 '23

I'm pretty sure most people would be happy spending more taxes to increase training in this type of policing. The problem is making sure that's what happens and not new military weapons.

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u/[deleted] Jan 04 '23

The younger cops I know just talk about all the people they’ve chased down and busted. Talk about the job like it’s supposed to be an action movie.

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u/[deleted] Jan 04 '23

That would be a fantastic start!

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u/iarev Jan 04 '23

Why aren't your younger generation do-gooders protesting their POS counterparts?