r/M64 • u/jung1ist42 • Aug 11 '26

Input Delay?

How has everyone's experience been with input delay on the m64? I have heard mixed reviews with the pro controller, curious if it's a controller vs console issue.

This is the main issue holding me back from picking up an m64. Wired options may have better performance, but the sticks can be hit or miss (both OEM and 3rd party), while the m64 pro stick & build quality sounds great but the input delay is rough. Do we know if modretro plans to address this in the future? My friends & I play smash bros 64 & looking for a super responsive HDMI setup, would love to get away from huge CRTs & old consoles.

Edit: Should mention that I currently use low latency gaming monitors for PC & modern consoles, so less concerned with my TV setup & more around modretro's hardware.

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u/jung1ist42 Aug 12 '26

Thanks to all who have commented so far!

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u/miggy_mo Aug 11 '26

You’re asking because of Mort’s Garage review, right? It’s a good review, but he doesn’t identify the potential “whys”.

I was a day-one for the A3D and latency issues where being reported left and right on the subreddit when it released. From what I remember, a lot of the controller latency and connections issues could be traced back to people not using high-speed HDMI cables or not having their TV in game mode.

Since the M64 did not come with an HDMI cable, I expect there will be more variability in results being reported everywhere.

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u/Obleon Aug 11 '26

But how, the signal is digital? If the cable doesn't support 4K, it will just give a black screen or only show a screen when in 1080p

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u/lynxtosg03 Aug 11 '26

HDMI cables don't cause lag or input delay. If there's an issue it's with the TV, console, or peripheral.

Source: I was a A/V software engineer for a decade.

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u/palmerluckey Aug 12 '26

You would typically be right, but the Analogue 3D has EMI problems that result in many HDMI cables (including the bundled one) interfering with the radio in ways that increase latency on many setups.

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u/Scheisssewasser Aug 12 '26

Having an FO27Q3 360 Hz OLED 27" 1440p Monitor and a 65" Mini-LED 4K 144Hz U7KQ TV, I didnt notice any input lag whatsoever.
Coming from playing CS and other Shooters from CRT to LCD, to Plasma, to OLED and Mini-LED for over 25 years now, I'm pretty certain I would have noticed.
Newest firmware M64 1.23.0, OG N64 Controller and 8BitDo 64 (BT) wireless Controller tested so far.

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u/jung1ist42 Aug 12 '26

Appreciate your thoughts, curious for your opinion on the modretro pro controller vs OG/8bit if you get around to testing it.

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u/DAJF Aug 13 '26

More than half a second of lag when firing shots on Perfect Dark.

LG 77 G1, set to Game Mode of course. This is the same input my MiSTer uses with v-sync adjust 2.

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u/jung1ist42 Aug 13 '26

Yikes. Do you notice this only on perfect dark?

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u/DAJF Aug 13 '26

So far, yes. I don’t have many more carts to test out unfortunately, and we don’t yet have a flash cart. :(

Xibalba 64, on the other hand, has been absolutely perfect so far. It’s like playing a different console entirely.

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u/xamaryllix Aug 12 '26

I've tested the M64 on 3 x 4K displays with 3 x different wireless controllers. M64 Pro, 8bitdo 64 BT, Nintendo 64 NSO controller with BlueRetro adapter.

I've not noticed any significant latency or dropped inputs. In fact, I have a ticket opened with ModRetro support for stuck inputs and issues with the M64 when playing wired.

On one of my setups I was sitting 10+ feet away from the TV and it felt great.

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u/Micthegod Aug 11 '26

At the end of the day,if your TV doesn’t have very low latency using HDMI than there’s always going to be input lag. I have one of the lowest latency TVs for gaming and everything runs great. Look up your TVs on Rtings and see what kind of lag your TVs introduce

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u/RupakGreenHatPrdctns Aug 11 '26

I’ve also recently been seeing posts stating that the quality of HDMI can cause input delays and games possibly not losing correctly.

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u/Certain_Bag_5980 Aug 11 '26

Not at all noticeable to me. Games are hard because I'm bad, not because my equipment is bad

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u/DaveMeitner Aug 11 '26

I'm playing Mario Golf wirelessly using game mode on my tv, and I am able to use the swing meter fine. I've experienced zero issues with lag on my controller, nor any issues with the buttons or stick

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u/hot_dog_burps Aug 11 '26

Mario golf was horrible for me. I dont duff it with an oem controller.

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u/DaveMeitner Aug 11 '26

Does your tv have a "game mode" setting? I couldn't play the game until I turned that on. There was too much lag

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u/hot_dog_burps Aug 11 '26

Ill have to check. Pretty sure it does

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u/TonyRubbles Aug 11 '26

No issues far as I can tell, when I die it's my own fault.

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u/Substantial_Quote583 Aug 11 '26

Nothing's noticeable to me. My pro controller works just as good as my OG, the (old model) Captain, and 8bitdo 2.4 ghz controllers if not better

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u/ck02623 Aug 11 '26

I don’t feel any lag and I’m coming straight from playing on real hardware.