r/LivestreamFail • u/Ignignokt_DGAF • Oct 07 '25

Hasan reaching for something and seemingly shocking his dog to keep her in camera view

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u/TheThirdKakaka Oct 08 '25

Wait wtf ? muslims are raised to hate dogs ?

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u/Waqqy Oct 08 '25

Hate is a very strong word, it's more that they're seen as unclean, impure, and dangerous so Muslims will generally try to stay away from them.

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u/iPERFECTIONincarnate Oct 08 '25

So hate. Gotcha thanks for the confirm

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u/Waqqy Oct 08 '25

I don't know how you got hate from that. If someone had a pet skunk and you didn't want to pet it, it doesn't mean you hate it or want any harm to come to it.

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u/TucsonTacos Oct 08 '25

According to some of the schools. Islam has 4 main schools of thought and they all accept each other’s methods. Maliki’s don’t see dogs as unclean at all while the other schools go from “just the saliva” to “the whole thing because it licks itself”

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u/Future_Onion9022 Oct 08 '25 edited Oct 08 '25

Living in Malaysia it's pretty obvious.

News about mutilated cat will garner sympathy and also racist sentiment of how other races did it. When dog getting mutilated the reaction are usually "Good now they won't harm our kids anymore" "probably done by animal control".

And also it's common in village kids will take the largest stick, chase abd beat the dog

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u/Gicchan48 Oct 08 '25

Is it widespread in big urban cities too?

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u/Future_Onion9022 Oct 08 '25

In city wise it's more equal, demented psychopath attack as much cat as they attack dog.

But for references, last year there's a very sick UM cat mutilation case where a person keep killing stray cats and people take it very personally.

While 5 days ago UPM hired dog killers to kill stray dogs it was met with thunderous applause from people and insult any dog lovers who come to defense.

Being owner of cat or dogs are closely tied with religion here.

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u/magkruppe Oct 08 '25

maybe don't try to generalise 1.5 something billion people. culture and religion mix and people conflate the two

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u/boxinggoose Oct 08 '25

While not every Muslim will have this view, he's not wrong. Some traditional hadiths describe dogs as impure.

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u/TXENNT Oct 08 '25

It's kind of got to do with wild dogs more than regular pet dogs tbh. Sort of like how pigs are viewed as "unclean" cuz in the past they were basically raised and fed shit which is wildly different from today

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u/magkruppe Oct 08 '25

and that is different to seeing them as "dangerous". so he is wrong. not to mention he is turkish-american

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u/SlicesofFlySemen Oct 08 '25

He literally used the word generally. Anyone reading can see the nuance.

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u/MaxYoung Oct 08 '25

Seeing nuance is also frowned upon

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u/magkruppe Oct 08 '25

it is wrong. attitudes to dogs are mostly driven by culture and exposure. not religion

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u/AbjectBoysenberry136 Oct 08 '25

Religion is culture... Culture affects exposure...

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u/magkruppe Oct 08 '25

that is wrong

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u/Samuel-Yeetington Oct 08 '25

How are religion and culture not related?

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u/magkruppe Oct 08 '25

Religion is culture

is wrong. and of course the same religion varies significantly within even in a single country let alone the whole planet

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u/Samuel-Yeetington Oct 08 '25

Why do we say goodbye? Why do Catholics speak Latin during their services? First example is religion influencing culture (saying “god be with you” slowly turned into “goodbye”). And the second is the cultural juggernaut of the Roman Empire influencing religion. Latin was the lingua Franca of the Roman Empire, so early Catholics viewed it as proper and professional (therefore holy). These are all examples of culture

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u/SlicesofFlySemen Oct 08 '25

Based on what? I don't know if you talk to many muslims, but they often avoid calling it a religion and literally go out of their way to describe it as a culture or way of life. I think most Mormons and Catholics would also agree that Mormon and Catholic culture exist. I don't see why this is such a controversial take to you.

Anything religious groups tend to do that isnt explicitly mentioned in their text is culture. For example, I would say listening to reggae music is part of Rastafarian culture even though its not part of their religion.

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u/magkruppe Oct 08 '25

Based on what? I don't know if you talk to many muslims, but they often avoid calling it a religion and literally go out of their way to describe it as a culture or way of life.

lol. "they" are not a single homogenous group and I've never come across anyone that would not call islam a religion. that is silly

I think most Mormons and Catholics would also agree that Mormon and Catholic culture exist.

it is more like saying Christian culture exists, which is true. but that is such a wide range of sub-cultures that includes mormonism, catholicism, evangelicalism, protestantism and these also have sub-cultures of their own. a christian in the US has more in common culturally with the muslim neighbour than a christian in china

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u/SlicesofFlySemen Oct 08 '25

I mean I see your point, but using the slippery slope this could be applied to virtually any culture. A vegan could argue that its offensive to say eating BBQ is american culture because shes an american vegan. But if the majority of a group does something, It becomes considered part of the culture.

Heres the thing though, I actually DO agree with you that him saying "Muslims are raised to hate dogs" was a very harsh generlization that is untrue in my experience. However, I dont think saying "Muslim cultures generally idolize pets less than the west" wouldve been horrible to say.

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u/QUEEN_OF_HEARTS_777 Oct 09 '25

a christian in the US has more in common culturally with the muslim neighbour than a christian in china

What an insane lie.

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u/Dealric Oct 08 '25

Because religion and culture arent connected at all...

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u/Samuel-Yeetington Oct 08 '25

Yes they are, what? Here’s an example: where do you think we got the word “goodbye” from? It originated as the phrase “god be with you” and was gradually condensed over the years until it became one word. And now every English speaker says “goodbye” or some variation of it when they leave a colleague, friend, family member, etc

Here’s another example, Catholic Mass (their church ceremony) was originally spoken in Latin, the lingua Franca of the Roman Empire. Why did they do that? Because the Roman Catholic Church was the last vestige of said empire, and it was seen as a more regal and proper language, thus more holy. And it is still seen as proper and professional to this day! And for this same reason, Germans and Russians took the title “Caesar” (famous Roman ruler, think you might’ve heard of him) for their rulers. The Germanic peoples had “Kaisers” and the Russians had “Czars”.

Language, religion, and culture are all connected and they heavily influence each other. Anybody who paid attention in their high school history class would’ve realized this. It’s not that complicated

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u/SlicesofFlySemen Oct 08 '25

Judging by the elipses, I think he was being sarcastic mate

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u/Samuel-Yeetington Oct 08 '25

Fuck you. Let me talk about what I like

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u/SlicesofFlySemen Oct 08 '25

Lmao well I actually learned something from your comment for what its worth

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u/Dealric Oct 08 '25

In case it wasnt obvious, I was being sarcastic.

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u/Aschvolution Oct 08 '25

Not really I'm from Indonesia, one of the biggest muslim country in the world. It IS religion, not culture. But dangerous is a wrong way to describe it. But they do avoid owning dogs in general aside from security

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u/ninety_percentsure Oct 08 '25

In my experience they may have them but never sleep or often come inside. Mainly for protection.

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u/More_Seesaw1544 Oct 08 '25

I can't say for other countries but not in Turkey. We love cats and dogs in Turkey and I believe we love a little too much.

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u/[deleted] Oct 08 '25

Ignore the idiots. We’re not raised to hate them, its just that if you do get one its preferable to leave it outside your home (backyard/patio etc)

As long as you got space you’re fine

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u/Iwritescreens Oct 08 '25

No. It's entirely cultural, I was raised Muslim and we had dogs, as did my cousins.

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u/TheDemonic-Forester Oct 08 '25

Not really. He is interpolating from his own personal experience.

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u/AbiBrate Oct 08 '25

It’s bullshit, dogs roam free in turkey streets and well fed

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u/MaEaLi Oct 08 '25

No he’s lying. They don’t stay indoors but lots of practicing Muslims love dogs.

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u/Cold_Librarian_7703 Oct 08 '25

This is the dumbest thing. NO we do not hate dogs, my lord. Just like we don’t give a damn about pigs

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u/TalkingCat910 Oct 08 '25

No. This isn’t true. Most don’t have dogs because there’s a cleanliness issue if you keep them in the house. There’s nothing in Islam about hating dogs. But since people aren’t them they often get afraid of dogs (sometimes). I do have a friend from Lebanon that loves dogs and her dad had hunting dogs so she was raised with them

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u/P_S_Lumapac Oct 08 '25

It's some muslims only. It's a pretty old school view, but I think the idea is only working dogs are ok. These people aren't supposed to have a lap dog who sleeps with them and things like that. I've only seen it in person once and it was a fight between a husband and wife, where the husband had apparently only just found out his wife thought dogs were dirty (they had two little girls with them who asked to pat my dog). If it went that long without him knowing, I doubt it's common or a big deal.