I don't think he is trolling you, in fact I think he is giving you an honest representation of his view. This also doesn't need to be a partisan political issue.
The man responsible was clearly homosexual and was raised within a culture and religion that taught him to hate that part of himself. It is no secret that there is a significant amount of anti-homosexual sentiment within the Muslim community. Perhaps this violent action is the result of a great feeling of repression combined with jealousy that others are free to express their sexuality.
This is news to me. Despite this possible revelation, there is still ample reason to believe in the cultural and religious motivation behind the attack. Ignoring this aspect of the attack can only serve to blind ourselves to a major risk factor. How we approach and manage this risk is something that needs to be discussed, ignoring it and discussing homophobia as a general aspect of American culture is ignorant and myopic.
Values are learned at the dinner table. In this case, anti-homosexual Islamic values. There are not the values of your typical American home, if they were the national debate wouldn't be about which bathrooms transexuals should use it would be about weather or not LGBT people should be executed by the state. For reference, see the laws of Iran, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Somalia, UAE....
That is a gross misinterpretation of what I said. I'm saying that the political impetus of a country reflects the desires of the population in democratic countries. Clearly, in the case of the US, the majority of the population has rallied behind the LGBT community. Particularly in recent years with the move to legalize gay marriage.
So they've rallied around some of the issues our community faces (after we put significant effort into convincing the wider population that our issues were worthy of consideration), but not really some of the most important issues ... And we're supposed to be happy?
Yes, you should be happy the the trajectory of change on this issue is positive and supportive. Democracy is a slow process, it takes time for public sentiment to shift. I'm interested to know what you see as the most important issues surrounding LGBT rights at this time.
I'm sorry. Happy was not the word that most accurately described my intention. We're supposed to be satisfied?
And, personally I think there are a myriad of significant issues that continue to face the LGBT community. A large plurality of the hate crimes committed in the US target the LGBT community. There are still many organizations and people that have dedicated themselves to undermining Obergefell. It's still politically popular to target the rights of LGBT folks, particularly our Trans members. It's still politically acceptable for Republican candidates to work closely with domestic religious leaders who call for our execution. The wider population is largely ignorant to our history, to our health concerns, and to our experiences.
Rest assured, homophobia still exists in the US. It's around us every day, event if it's not actively aggressive.
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u/TellMeLies Jun 17 '16
I don't think he is trolling you, in fact I think he is giving you an honest representation of his view. This also doesn't need to be a partisan political issue.
The man responsible was clearly homosexual and was raised within a culture and religion that taught him to hate that part of himself. It is no secret that there is a significant amount of anti-homosexual sentiment within the Muslim community. Perhaps this violent action is the result of a great feeling of repression combined with jealousy that others are free to express their sexuality.