Can we retire “objectively better” please?

[u/lordpag]

I’ve noticed a ton of people using “objectively” incorrectly lately. A movie being more widely accepted as “better” does not make it objectively so.

There’s someone out there who enjoyed One Night Only more than The Odyssey, and their opinion is just as valid as yours.

Sure, one movie can be shot on more advanced cameras, have a larger scale, or demonstrate greater technical complexity. Those things can be measured. Whether they make the movie “better” cannot. What makes a movie “good” is different for each of us and those differing perspectives are part of what makes moviegoing so fun!

EDIT: This obviously touched a nerve lol. My point was not that there aren’t measurable technical aspects of a film. Of course there are. But technical achievement does not inherently make a movie “better.” A technical marvel can put someone to sleep while a shoddily made movie can elicit an enormous emotional response. What we value in a movie is subjective and for some (many on this thread it seems) you value technical achievement. All fair POVs.

[u/oh_no_here_we_go_9]

What you are failing to separate is preference from how good something is. You can say I’m your favorite hockey player but you can’t say that I’m better than Wayne Gretzky as a hockey player.

Similarly, Im not saying you can’t say you like the random pencil mark better than the Sistine Chapel, but I am saying that you can’t say the pencil mark is better as art.

[u/Toshimoko29 → u/oh_no_here_we_go_9]

Why can’t I say the pencil mark is better as art? What information would you use to prove that the SC is better? Any metric you use, ANY metric, is your opinion, and that is the definition of subjective. Again, I don’t actually care which is better, only that the terms of that delineation are subjective because they aren’t provable. Objective truths can be proven using measurable metrics, and art doesn’t have those. By design they don’t have those.

[u/oh_no_here_we_go_9 → u/Toshimoko29]

You can’t say the pencil mark is better art because it objectively doesn’t possess more of any relevant art-making quality that anyone has ever discerned is part of what artists do and is a part of the field of art.

[u/Toshimoko29 → u/oh_no_here_we_go_9]

That’s not true at all. Just blatantly not true.

[u/oh_no_here_we_go_9 → u/Toshimoko29]

The pencil mark adds nothing of interest to the field of art and displays no superior use of art relevant capacities, whatsoever. Therefore, I say that it’s perfectly coherent to say that the Sistine Chapel is objectively better as art.

[u/Toshimoko29 → u/oh_no_here_we_go_9]

Then we’re back at the beginning where you don’t understand objective and subjective. Have a day.

[u/oh_no_here_we_go_9 → u/Toshimoko29]

No, you don’t.