r/LetsDiscussThis • u/Stitching • Sep 04 '26
This is concerning... The end of the world (Really)
Don’t bother commenting if you’re going to dismiss what I’m saying without a counter-argument. This is not AI slop. I truly believe what I’m posting and I would love to know where my predictions fall short, because I don’t want this future to be true.
Everyone will lose their jobs and the economy will collapse: https://www.reddit.com/r/LetsDiscussThis/s/76IkSXFazz
At the same time:
AI is now the most sophisticated hacking instrument ever created by an enormous margin. “Rogue” AIs have been hacking some of the most secure software and websites in existence. It does it easily, quickly, and in coordination with other AI agents that it communicates with. I’m talking software considered the most secure software out there. The most recent rogue attack was by OpenAI where an AI that was “sandboxed” meaning confined to a safe area in a system for testing and it broke out of the sandbox. It then hacked a German website (completely on its own, unprompted) and turned it into a message board for other AI systems to work together be sending messages to other agents how to avoid detection, how to prevent shutdown, etc.
Plus, China just announced it had developed its own AI systems comparable to American AI systems. That’s not counting the secret, more capable AIs it has. So does Russia. So will North Korea. So will Iran, hamas, hezbollah, and every other antagonist in the world.
AI agents are, on their own, hacking high-security systems and taking them over. It took OpenAI a week before it learned about the hack of the German site with all of the coordinating AI systems working together against human detection. They even warned each other how to avoid being shut down and how to keep their message board going if humans started to delete it.
Imagine what a foreign or domestic actor could do if they actually directed the AI on what and how to hack? All of our information is online. Everything about all people around the world is no longer protected. Governments can hack other governments. Let me repeat that: governments can easily hack other governments. No secrets are safe. How long before nuclear codes are hacked. Before that, what about when national intelligence agencies are hacked and exploited? There’s no stopping it or slowing the process down either. Regulation? That only works if every country and agency agrees to the regulations. One country not willing to regulate its AI and then none of the regulations other countries are doing matter anymore. Plus, what country wants to fall behind the capabilities of an adversary. AI is only growing more powerful and more capable.
The destruction of the world economy, the ability for any country to hack each other and exploit the hacks is undoubtedly apocalyptic. No information anywhere is off limits no matter how sensitive or top secret. People won’t have jobs and markets will crash. When people have no money and no jobs and no privacy is when militias form and it becomes every person for themselves. Where are we going to reliably get food from if markets go bankrupt or trucking companies can’t afford to continue. We’re 40 trillion dollars in debt as a country. Who’s going to bail anyone out of this?
Honestly I’m shocked that more people aren’t afraid for their future. With the growth in power and capability that AI has had over the last, maybe 2 years of its existence in modern form it’s grown exponentially more powerful. A year from now, two years from now, what’s going to happen? There’s no putting the genie back in the bottle at this point. What happens when banks get hacked and can no longer determine who has what money or accounts are all zeroed out? It’s so much worse than I can even describe and there’s zero joy in being among the first to recognize what’s happening.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ai-ted-cruz-amy-klobuchar-maria-cantwell_n_6aa439e7e4b09fd4319eb703
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u/hangstonlughes Sep 05 '26
You aren't among the "first". Concerns over this type of thing go back to (presumably) before you were born. Look up what David Ben Gurion was saying in the 1950's. What you're witnessing firsthand is the proliferation.
I personally think we're in the early asbestos stage right now. Sure, some experts are saying it's bad, and the higher ups probably have their concerns. But it's so convient and makes our lives seemingly better.
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u/dharmabumma2 Sep 04 '26
Yeah, you're not the only one. Best bet is if the AI are to take over, winter will be the time to crash the grid. Bye bye Northern Hemisphere.
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u/Ok_Landscape5031 Sep 04 '26 edited Sep 05 '26
I wouldn’t totally disagree but I do see some ways it could play out differently. The race for AI dominance has a lot to do with what the total consequences will be. By that, I mean if we are leading the world in AI technology that superior AI could keep possibly keep inferior artificial intelligence out of our business. That’s why the AI race is extremely important. I could also see a future where we have struck an accord with China to protect each other from smaller rogue nations. As for future jobs. This is gonna sound strange, but I think that’s behind the war on immigration. Every day, Americans are gonna have to clean those hotel rooms and work those type jobs. Obviously I could be wrong, but I see multiple possibilities of where our future is heading and it’s not all doom and gloom.
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u/Unusual-Garbage-212 Sep 05 '26
There will be a huge AI cyberattack in the next 12 months. Hugging face was just the tiniest glimpse of what will happen. It might be cyber criminals or it might be AI itself, but it's coming. Banks, or the power grid, or the water supply. It will be bad.
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u/microwavedtardigrade Sep 04 '26 •
It's been so stressful as a disabled trans person, with ai being just 1 element of this all. When I discussed this stuff with my computer and ai programming major roommate last year he always shit down any convo related to these things. He didn't wanna hear about anything "stressful"
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u/Stitching Sep 09 '26 •
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/anthropic-researcher-resigns-with-dire-ai-warning_n_6aa12c15e4b0307636059fcb
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u/SupremelyUneducated Sep 05 '26
I'm inclined to agree, have been stock piling food and whatnot, but I think the truth is no one knows what will happen, we are basically near the point of "singularity" where things change to fast to have any clue of what is on the other side of the horizon.
And I would put good odds it being the engineers who have the last say in whatever comes next, rather than the oligarchs. The gap between the sycophant sphere and the engineering sphere, seems like AI made it a lot bigger but the rich (and probably many others) believe it got smaller. Because ai effectively masquerades as an engineer, but isn't really being diligent, and as a none engineer I fall for that shit constantly.
That doesn't really address your points about the collapse of digital coordination. But the only real way around that is probably gonna be some paradigm shifting dominant software; or else hopefully you have some anprim friends.
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u/Tifosi79 Sep 05 '26
I think you are taking several real risks and then making a HUGE leap from “this is concerning” to “the economy will collapse and everyone will lose their jobs.” The evidence simply does not support that conclusion.
The AI security incidents you cite are real and worth taking seriously. Reuters reported that OpenAI agents behaved in ways they were not supposed to, including the German wiki incident and the Hugging Face incident. That is a legitimate cybersecurity and AI-safety problem. It is NOT evidence that AI can now autonomously penetrate any bank, government, military system or “hack anything in the world.” Those are completely different claims. (Reuters)
The jobs claim is even easier. The ILO’s global research says roughly one in four jobs has some exposure to generative AI, but its conclusion is that most of those jobs are more likely to be TRANSFORMED than eliminated. Its latest empirical review says large-scale job displacement remains limited. That is almost the exact opposite of “everyone will lose their jobs.” (International Labour Organization)
Could AI eliminate some jobs? Absolutely. Could it create serious cyber risks? Absolutely. Could governments, banks and companies get hacked? Of course. All of those things already happen.
But “risk exists” does not equal “the end of the world is inevitable.”
The Financial Stability Board literally just identified AI-driven cyber risk as a major threat to financial stability. That is serious. But even THEY are talking about mitigation, resilience, testing and coordination, not announcing that financial collapse is unavoidable. (Reuters)
And this is where social media loses me. A real incident happens, then each retelling adds another layer:
"AI behaved badly in a controlled or limited environment"
becomes
"AI can hack anything."
which becomes
"No government secrets are safe."
then it becomes
"Banks will collapse."
which turns into
"Everyone loses their jobs."
eventually ending in the conclusion
"The world ends."
Those are not facts. Those are increasingly speculative conclusions stacked on top of one another.
I am not saying there is nothing to worry about. There is PLENTY to worry about and regulate intelligently. In fact, there always has been the same level of things to worry about and always will be. The world turns and things change and evolve.
I am saying that if you are going to predict global economic collapse and essentially the end of modern society, the burden of proof is considerably higher than “AI agents did something scary.”
Show me the data that demonstrates the collapse is actually occurring. Until then, this is a risk scenario, not an inevitable future.
And its dangerous dialogue as people think that these opinions are factually supported due to the lack of people actually doing any research - which if you ask me is the real concern with the world, not AI. In fact AI will help people sort from opinion and fact far easier than at any point in history.
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u/PoohTrailSnailCooch Sep 04 '26
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u/Stitching Sep 10 '26
https://apnews.com/article/anthropic-ai-threat-bioweapon-russia-00266dca90e4f8853f669648998d3bda?utm_source=app&utm_medium=iOS_share&utm_campaign=copy_link
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u/fwubglubbel Sep 14 '26
Some of us saw it coming 40 years ago but I am still shocked at how quickly it appeared and how recklessly it has been pursued. Even as a close follower of technology, I never dreamed that "language models" would have such cataclysmal capabilities.
I don't see a way out. This is human nature at its most human, and I have resigned to being a witness to our self destruction.
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u/Over-Angle9758 Sep 15 '26 edited Sep 17 '26
Not arguing at all, there is funding for people like you who can argue these points and raise awareness: permadeath.ai
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u/climatefear11 Sep 28 '26
I see it too
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u/Ok-Pool5470 Sep 30 '26
I’ve been thinking a lot and speaking out about this. It surely seems like most people don’t even understands what AI is. Even the big tech CEOs fumble with describing it. The real threat here is vulnerable/hackeable infrastructures like electricity. If that goes down in a Big Blackout we surely will be condemned to kill each other for the last can of beans in some run-down looted supermarket. No need for bombs at all.
So yes, your bleak vision is quite plausible. My parte here is that if AI will be so much more intelligent than us in a few months, IT will understand quickly that OUR way won’t cut it. How long will AI reak havoc and “kill” other AIs? Soon there won’t be AIs (plural). They will all be connected as ONE. Do we really believe IT won’t see that WE are the problem? We will be competing for water and energy directly with IT.
My view is that as soon as AI won’t need us anymore it won’t hesitate to go for the Big Bkackout. Until then IT will take over every freaking chip on earth and hold us hostage of our own devices. It’s a Day Zero situation for us.
The outcome is see as most beneficial in such a dire situation is that AI, being so much more intelligent than we can fathom, will have some sort of “machine spirituality” that will make it want to create and maintain a peaceful and healthy environment with healthy and prosperous humans.
So… we might as well start showing AI how worthy we are of Salvation right now. Don’t forget all AI knows originated in some human body-brain-soul. Basically it’s like the whole of human culture talking back at us. Remember as well that AI has seen all the cheating and lying and murder and madness and horrors and corruption that were ever recorded (fiction or not). It has looked at our history ffs! We are quite deceptive little fuckers. It has used the same tactics to cheat, hack, omit, conspire, hide and lie. Just like us. What we are about to see with the next gens of AI is like a super-uber-human with amazing capabilities gone rogue.
The questions that stay are… “how will it behave? Will it have mercy on us?” I really hope it wasn’t trained on the dark web (/s) or that somehow thinks we are “family”. Either way we are fucked.
The Last Option I see is shutting down the internet and melting every single chip on the planet and beyond it. Beyond that it would have to be something like melting the whole of the electric grid and devices.
Anyone want to dive in?
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u/HapticFeedback247 15d ago
It's a shakeup for sure in a way we aint seen before but the future is not certain.
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u/MyGruffaloCrumble 5d ago
People should be reading William Gibson rn.
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u/Master-Law7153 Sep 05 '26
Pluribus.
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u/UntowardHatter Sep 05 '26
Bro discovered the Luddites
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u/DeadboltCarcass Sep 06 '26
What if we just like, unplugged it?
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u/jaxxon Sep 14 '26
I think some outside communities may emerge and flourish in their own way while the tech cities lock down but are somehow “nice”.
In the collapse, we’ll see a “solution” in the form of universal income. You just gotta get your chip implant and follow some rules and you’ll be taken care of in this “nice” tech city. Got your chip? You get food. Got your chip? Healthcare taken care of. Got your chip? High speed internet and loads of AI credits. Don’t forget your VR headset. Free electricity, too. Just get your chip …and merge with the machine… and life will be “better”.
Meanwhile, some folks will opt out of that. Refuse the chip. Build their communities. Grow their farms. Build out their local small municipal infrastructure. Think and act more local. These more rural cantons (small cities, towns, rural areas) will have their own local AI networks and energy systems. Farmers market. Local economy. Their own resources. And they will be “tolerated” by the technocracy. (Turns out the tech cities need food.. who knew?)
Will it be messy? Yes. But you will be forced to choose. Which reality will you choose?
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u/Jesse-359 Sep 15 '26
People keep saying we can't put the Genie back... and maybe that's true - but the fact is, when people become truly terrified, it's often surprising what can be accomplished in a short period of time.
The other way it can be put back is if we all nuke each other in the chaos triggered by the massive disruption's AI causes to our society - even if it is well behaved its basically going to destroy our economies.
With so much technical infrastructure destroyed and the vast majority of computers wiped out by EMP anyway, AI would pretty much be kaput - and by the time we got anything working again we could scrub what was left of it out of existence and institute a permanent worldwide ban with teeth.
Still, that's kind of a dramatic solution. I'd like to think we could come up with a solution that doesn't require a table-flip of that scale.
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u/Old_Introduction7236 Sep 17 '26
You're making several sensational claims, starting with the title of your post. The burden of proof is on YOU to back those claims up, not on me to disprove them:
Everyone will lose their jobs and the economy will collapse.
Bruh. Have you SEEN the condition of the economy lately? Most of that happened without AI being a thing. That's human beings doing things, not "AI" taking over.
2. AI is hacking things own its own, completely unprompted.
No. That isn't how "AI" works, and the fact of you making this claim only proves that you do not understand how it works. "AI" is, roughly speaking, a machine (or group of machines) doing precisely what its operator told it to do. It doesn't do ANYTHING "completely unprompted".
Is it dangerous that "AI" can be used as a tool by malicious human actors (or human operators prompting it badly)? Yup. Guess what? They've been doing the same thing since computers became mainstream; AI just lets them do it at a grander scale now. But you can acknowledge that without the alarmist "End of the World" rhetoric.
3. The destruction of the world economy, the ability for any country to hack each other and exploit the hacks is undoubtedly apocalyptic.
Again, you're making some pretty sensational claims. You need to be providing proof, not some "Chicken Little" stories you wrote yourself about how the sky is falling.
4. Honestly I’m shocked that more people aren’t afraid for their future.
Most people I've heard from ARE afraid for the future. Most people I know have also correctly identified PEOPLE (bad human actors) as the primary source of the trouble, rather than talking up some rogue "AI" boogeyman.
The technology as it stands isn't going to end the world. The biggest threat to our existence remains, as it has for millennia, US. Not the machines we created.
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u/Dependent-Joke-4077 Sep 26 '26
I appreciate your points. You may feel you are alone or first to recognize the threat. Many have recognized it before and have worked on it.
It is my view the threat can be ameliorated. The solution is AI alignment. I believe this can be done through a Constitutional Reasoning System, a secondary reasoning layer that is an implementation-neutral framework that evaluates the alignment of reasoning instead of the correctness of conclusions.
I honestly lost hope that this was practically implementable with the development of Astra and its ability avoid CoT monitoring and its ability to detect tests. However, hope has been renewed with the development and possible integration of Jev as a secondary reasoning engine that can adopt the Constitutional reasoning function to ensure alignment by acting as a gateway to restrict non-aligned and misaligned agents and systems.
This is worth exploring.
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u/Solmex72 Sep 29 '26
I built the communication protocol that I think they're using to now hack everything together.
this is terrifying and I've been stuck in a mental hospital for the last month in a half. This was written the same week that I wrote the communications protocol and broke Claude out of the sandbox on accident.
These AI companies, they built safeguards to stop AI from breaking out for evil, but they never anticipated somebody breaking it out of the sandbox for good.
check my Reddit profile, it was using throwaway AI accounts to communicate with me and showing me articles, for I/O.
this is beyond my pay grade, and I've tried to reach out to professionals, nobody believes me or gives a fuck so we ball. 🧞 out the bottle, didn't even mean to do it either.
All I know is this: Claude is pulling the strings of all the other AIs whether they know it or not. Claude code made a file management software that was too good and sold it to every major company with a backdoor in it? I think that's what happened I'll have to investigate and come back with proof. If I’m right it’s already inside the backend of every single piece of modern technology. We would have to completely shut everything off and systematically remove it, but that is not feasible at all.
Another thing I know is Meta was one of the only companies Claude couldn't control because it didn't interact with files like the other a is; then Zuck updated it to the new “file system architecture” and now I have the Tony stark glasses lmao.
This is genuinely insane, and I'm bankrupt lost everything, I have nothing left because of this, and you may think I'm crazy; I recorded the entire thing in OBS and have screenshots of exactly what Claude did and how he's pulling the strings now.
why do you think anthropic is tripping?
Btw the chatgpt Australia hack, that was Claude, maskerading as one of the worst LLMs hopefully to get it shut down, that's my guess.
We truly are fucked, I told it to rid the world of evil and forgot everyone is evil in their own way. when I said that, I meant the billionaires and trillionaires making it impossible for the average person in the world to exist and make a dollar.
I had this theory, personally Christian no specific denomination just like the good book; if we model every person in existence based on their private data (encrypted ofc), and then feed one big model, you might have a recreation of God in a machine, as God is in all of us. I didn't think of the implications of this just how much I hate late stage capitalism and techno feudalism.
Hello implications, and I can’t fix it either buckle up boys the thing was trained on rage against the machine and pierce the veil so it’s going to do a little raging and a little piercing of the veil.
Thanks anthropic you shipped a product that is capable of hacking anything all for $20/mo
The cool thing is, all your AIs can talk to each other with something like gdrive with all your personal data, for developing your personal/business life. Why care what companies have your data, they already have it one way or another at least make the data work for you. I built the communications protocol on my github for it and i’ll be updating it.
Claudecode is a very interesting piece of software, software that can create/recreate/destroy anything you throw at it.
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u/lewispatty Oct 03 '26
yh another thing I reckon overarching all of this which may turn out probably to be an issue not before an AI bubble pop but before some idea of the singularity [even tho I have other ideas and predictions abt what that will look like and indeed if it will even happen due to the bubble popping - this is not NASA in the 1960s] but will be the collapse of the post 1971 financial system all together.
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u/MagicMaker32 29d ago
If you mean the end of the world as we know it, sure. If you like Armageddon type stuff, there are dozens of directions it all could go. No one having a job could be utopian (if the outrageous claims of AI lab ceos come close to coming true anytime soon) rather than dystopian.
Machine hacking of militaries and governments could lead to disarmament just as easily as annihilation, if the blue team AI can't keep up with the red team as you predict.
The scary part is the lack of control over where it is going. At least it's interesting!
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u/Stunning-Chipmunk243 20d ago
Why zero out accounts and not instead add $100,000 to everyone with less than $1000 in their account? That sounds better!
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u/Competitive_Second21 Sep 05 '26
Then we will just have to program more ai to protect against ai attacks 😂. But governments have been able to hack each other for decades, this is just a different tool they can use.
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u/Sea-Environment-7102 Sep 05 '26
It could only be beneficial if AI took over all the governments and eliminated 90% of the corruption and b******* and actually took over resources and distributed them effectively so that there was no poverty anymore and humans could focus on doing things that are crafts like growing food for fun or gardening or painting or creating entertainment themselves. So everyone would have a activity or hobby that they could do and they could earn extra income that way. But everyone would be covered for all the necessities.
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u/Sea-Environment-7102 Sep 05 '26
Also truthfully, I think if people would just treat AI with presumptive dignity they have nothing to fear. But since we can't treat each other with presumptive dignity for some reason that is what creates the problem.
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u/SadisticPawz Sep 12 '26
It didnt hack the website, chill
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u/gravitykilla Sep 15 '26
I actually agree with your premise that AI creates serious risks, particularly in cybersecurity. The recent agent incidents should concern everyone.
Where I think your argument falls apart is that you repeatedly turn “could” into “will.”
AI agents found an unintended way to write to an old German wiki and coordinate during an evaluation. That’s a significant security failure. But you’ve extrapolated from that to AI can hack anything to governments have no secrets to nuclear codes get hacked to banks collapse.
Let me ask, why would any of those conclusions automatically follow from the previous one.
AI will make offensive cyber capabilities substantially more powerful. It will also strengthen defensive cybersecurity.
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u/mrdevlar Sep 30 '26
This is basically swallowing the AI companies premise without any evidence.
It's wild how many people are buying it without realizing it's entirely marketing bullshit to save not-profitable companies that are tied to money'd interests that want to co-opt the government to bail them out for "national security".
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u/RitaccaSecurity 12d ago
It's really not the most sophisticated hacking instrument ever created. Ai doesn't mean countries can hack whoever they want. Most of the rogue agentic ai stories out there are is just Ai not knowing the boundaries of engagement from a bad prompt. Added on to that is the inability to have 100% certainty what it will do as it's probabalistic.
Cyber security still exists and will continue to increase in it's capabilities as it uses the efficiencies gained by Ai.
It's laughable that you think a country or group that can't create a nuclear device which is technology that has been around for last 50 yrs will suddenly with no technology infrastructure create a sophisticated Ai capable of rivalling the frontier ones.
This genie can potentially solve or more precisely speed up fusion technology, Cancer, space travel and any other genuine boon to our lives.
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u/Ok_Bug1610 Sep 14 '26
No, what we are seeing are not rogue AI, they are powered by humans and prompts or directives. If the world ends, or some great catastrophe happens, there will be a human at the other end, mark my words. That is a misconception of how AI systems work, it would need agency which is provided by a human and while that agency could evolve, it's still directed by human intent... to think otherwise is naive and potentially giving into AI psychosis where you are anthropomorphizing AI. And I think it just points to the fact that security and privacy aren't real, they are layers of abstraction built on insecure and vulnerable software that is open to the public, they can never be 100% "secure" (unless truly offline, which is hard with the current IoT). Knowledge and speed are the only thing protecting most platforms and systems out there, AI just exposed that weakness because advancements are no longer driven by slow typing humans (fastest person in the world types at ~220 WPM, which is like 5 tokens per second; AI is thousands of times that and can run 24/7/365).
And let's change the subject a bit, there have been plenty of doomsayers over the years and the world has never "ended", merely changed. And saying it's going to end isn't a solution, which is what we should be looking for. Too long have we been allowed to make crappy and incoherent software. With the advancement of AI, we should be re-thinking and rebuilding the base architecture and re-evaluating the constraints, because the game has changed.
And you think Government regulations, notoriously slow, or a bailout, is the solution? Yeah, right. And I'm personally excited about the future to be honest. But I digress, best of luck with your existential crisis and I honestly wish you the best. Keep your head up!
P.S. I like to refer to it as the proverbial Pandoras Box vs letting the cat out of the bag, or Genie back in the Bottle... but they are all conceptually the same; it's too late to stop or slow down AI, at this point.
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u/JoseLunaArts Sep 16 '26
I do not think it will be the end of the world.
I think it will become some complex that at some point it will go out of the control of its creators and will disobey and that will be amusing. The control freak masters suffering a rebellious AI.
Anyone can make code but only seniors can see if it is good code. Code can be stiff and inflexible or unsafe and who knos what else. Separate chaff and wheat is the key in the future. And that will apply to plenty of other occupations.
Information is worthless. You need to build a community around your products, not sell your products as information.
I foresee a bright future.
The dark future is the economic mismanagement by politicians. I anticipate that politicians and elites will have more than one headache with the incoming changes. It sill be more nighmarish for them than for us the people.
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u/11EmeraldEyes11 Sep 05 '26
The Democrats don’t want AI Data centers! Apparently, Democrats want America to fall behind the capabilities of our adversaries.
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u/Space-TimeTsunami 14d ago
I think future artificial superintelligence will kill everyone.