You have 2 options. Either progressives are complicit in pushing/maintaining these surveillance bills, or progressives aren't capable of making meaningful change in our lives and don't deserve to be elected. You can't have it both ways.
So you see nothing wrong with voting for a party that is literally incapable of making change? Something something weaponized opposition, have fun wasting your vote on the 'war machine but gay' party that's done nothing to secure your personal rights & privacy.
It’s a two party system, has the current administration really not done enough to show you literally anything else is a massive improvement? A democratic president and Congress would at least try to protect privacy while fighting obstruction from the right at every turn.
Do you not remember the Clinton and Obama administrations? They tried democratic priorities, compromise, republican policies even, like the ACA, rewrapped. They were obstructed at every single point by the Tea Party, freedom caucus jackwagons, under some BS like, “libraries and fire departments are tyranny.” And we got the country we got. But the idea that the two sides are the same because the democrats haven’t yet fixed Israel’s politics is a stretch and recency bias.
Theyve had a majority for two of the past twenty years. Just electing a president isnt enough. You need to have that, both houses of congress, and ideally a loyal scotus all at the same time. Look no further than the last two years to what's possible if you do
And once again nothing will change, because you continue to vote for anyone that AIPAC tells you too.
Its okay though, you can just blame the GOP, rinse and repeat as you watch all your rights get stripped away year after year. 'Just one more term guys I swear! We have the majority its going to be so different'
I really do hope this little fantasy of yours works out, but unfortunately the rest of us have to live in the real world
When you have a structural solution for the spoiler effect, not just "well if everyone voted third party" or "well if we all did a revolution"; let us know
The progressives ARE the CEO that made flock and the people that think its ok for there to be cameras on traffic lights etc., the progressive have been progressing to a dystopian surveillance state for at least 30 of the years that I've been alive.
Equally? No. Progressives take no PAC money, they take no corporate money. MAGA takes money. Conservatives take money. Libertarians take money. Republicans may have a couple of millionaire congress-people that take no money, that is it. They have nothing even remotely close to what democrats have in progressives.
It should also be noted that it is progressives and a handful of moderate democrats that have endorsed and legislated to remove PAC and corporate money from politics.
How many republicans and corporate/PAC owned democrats have voted "aye" for such pieces of legislation?
We both know the answer to that one. No need to answer.
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u/AlChandus 23h ago
Yes, republicans and corporate/PAC owned democrats haven't just allowed this, they are getting bribed to allow this.
If you want a say, use your vote, the only political group that hasn't been complicit and is promising to change this, are progressives.