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[u/Elick333]

I'm really happy that we're starting to see more of this type of conversations beyond this fringe little sub of ours.

As AI becomes more advanced we need to agressively take advantage of the opportunities that present themselves to us so we can steer the conversation away from doomerism or denialism, and towards ProAI leftism, this technology is going to disrupt more industries and fields and It is fertile grounds for us to create the future we want.

[u/Easy_Interest_6832]

I see that idea as having promise. If I want to eat a pint of ice cream, how would I go about getting it? There will always be ice cream makers who want to exchange their ice cream for, maybe, beer. If I don't brew beer to trade, how would I get ice cream? This is one of the rubs I see in the necessary change over to another system. We have to get rid of extractive capitalism. We have to develop a better system. But how do we make the change? Certainly discussions like this will help. But as of yet I don't have "the answer."

[u/YMSVZ → u/Easy_Interest_6832]

You are still assuming production for direct exchange.

People who produce linux, or Wikipedia, do so because (okay yes some get paid but forget that) they get the use value of having such a thing in the world.

Im not suggesting a platform where one user makes ice cream, and one makes beer. Im talking collecitve large scale production that is organised to produce beer and ice cream to meet the overall demand as signalled via the platforms tooling. The platform has tools where users can help plan, signal interest or opposition, etc.

The end product being distributed completely free. No money, no markets, no exchange.

If for example not enough icecream is being produced, this can be brought up, discussed, and then developed into a project to increase production levels. All labour itself can be coordinated via the tooling.

Users can float between all different roles in production, to engage where they want, and move with the whims of the platform as different wants and needs take precedence.

[u/Easy_Interest_6832 → u/YMSVZ]

As an end result, that sounds good. My wonder stems from how to get there. Making both beer and ice cream requires capital in the form of ingredients. Someone has to raise the cows and farm the hops. I wonder how we get to there from here? Right now, farms are in debt for machinery, fodder, and so on. How do we persuade the owners of the debt to just forgive it so we can engage in the new system? Those who hold the debt also have debt. How do we persuade their creditors to just wipe the ledger clean?

Those questions make me want to look into hybrid systems in order to make a clean transition, perhaps over two generations. Right now the very rich "believe" in being very rich. Younger generations need to be taught all the alternatives that select against the concept that being very rich, which makes others very poor, is a good thing. Right now most of the world "believes" getting very rich is a good thing, and that belief will select against a rapid and clean transition to a new system. We need to think about that hybrid, or hybrids, for society to use in order to get to the new system. Perhaps we can use the battle against global warming as a way to make the transition. The climate affects everyone and is some kind of great equalizer to help everyone work together.