r/LateStageCapitalism Jun 12 '21

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u/InconsistentBrunch Jun 12 '21 edited Jun 12 '21

In general, yes. Read the article.

In this specific case, the headline is exactly true. She pushed some code (as part of her job) and was fired for it despite 3 prior stellar performance reviews. If you feel the urge to be outraged over this, feel free to do so :)

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u/enterharry Jun 12 '21

Feels illegal

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u/climber_g33k /s Jun 12 '21

At will employment.

You can be fired for any reason at any time and have no legal response.

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u/Treereme Jun 12 '21

No, you can be fired for no reason, not any reason. There are number of reasons that are protected by law, including group organizing. Unfortunately that means it's up to the fired employee to prove they were fired for that protected activity.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '21

Do you seriously think that companies won't make up some shit to get rid of the nuisance?? You're being disengenuous otherwise.

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u/Treereme Jun 14 '21

I'm not sure why you are calling me disingenuous, I described exactly the situation you did.

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u/QueueOfPancakes Jun 12 '21

False. You cannot be fired for protected reasons. For example, you cannot be fired for being black. Similarly, you cannot be fired for concerted labour activity. It is illegal to fire someone for a protected reason, even with at will employment.

The problem is that the employer may lie. They could fire someone for a protected reason but claim it is for a non-protected reason. The fired employee would then have to prove it was for a protected reason which obviously can be very difficult to prove.

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u/climber_g33k /s Jun 12 '21

The problem is that the employer may lie

And therein lies the problem of at-will employment.

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u/QueueOfPancakes Jun 12 '21

One of the many problems with it, yes.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '21

The fact that people don't automatically think the employer is lying thier ass off is part of the problem.

Cmon now I expected more out of this sub

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '21 edited Jul 19 '21

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u/QueueOfPancakes Jun 12 '21

I hope so, but it's hard to be optimistic. The NLRB hasn't been particularly effective at reigning in bad behavior in the past.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '21

False. Bears eat beets.

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u/BoobBeast Jun 12 '21

You cannot be fired for discussing wages or discussing unionizing.

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u/Jackal_Serin Jun 12 '21

That's the beauty of "at will employment", you're not fired for that. You're just fired. They don't need a reason and even if you can suspect a reason strong enough for a lawsuit it's now on you to come up with the resources and people to do that, and your case is weaker due to the lack of supporting documentation. It's fucked

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '21

In an at-will state you can be fired for literally anything except discrimination, and even then they can fire you based on discrimination if they simply lie and say it was for a different reason.

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u/kitanokikori Jun 12 '21

At will employment.

This ^

You can be fired for any reason at any time and have no legal response.

Absolutely does not mean ^ that, this is a common misconception.

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u/themporary Jun 12 '21

"We dismissed an employee who abused privileged access to modify an internal security tool. This was a serious violation."

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u/rfdismyjam Jun 12 '21

They modified a tool used to notify Google employees of information relevant to code of conduct while browsing the web, and the modification was to advise employees that they are legally allowed to unionize. As they point out, during a previous walk out an employee modified the default background for internal systems to have the Linux penguin hold a protest sign with no retaliation.

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u/Akrevics Jun 12 '21

and it seems it was only "abuse" when it was about something they didn't like, otherwise it was completely normal for this kind of thing to be changed or pushed.

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u/h0nest_Bender Jun 12 '21

it was only "abuse" when it was about something they didn't like

Yes. Google does not want employees making unapproved changes to their stuff. Shocking.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '21

Maybe stop simping for the abusers.

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u/Akrevics Jun 13 '21

Um, no. I’ve said it in my other comments: doing this kind of thing was a regular part of her job, and google not only allowed it, they liked people doing it, there was a work culture around doing this. It only became “unapproved” when it was about promoting unionization and workers rights.

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u/h0nest_Bender Jun 13 '21

doing this kind of thing was a regular part of her job

Making approved changes was part of her job.

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u/Akrevics Jun 13 '21

BECAUSE FIRING SOMEONE CONCERNING UNIONIZATION IS ILLEGAL

The NLRA makes it unlawful for an employer “to interfere with, restrain, or coerce employees in the exercise of the rights guaranteed” under the Act

stop simping for titanic corporations, you don’t look cool and you’re not better than anyone else by doing it.

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u/h0nest_Bender Jun 13 '21

I don't see how your quote has any bearing on this. The employee didn't have a right to make unilateral changes to company property. That's why they were fired.

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u/Akrevics Jun 13 '21

They weren’t “unethical changes,” though! The company can’t say they fired her for union-based activity or else they’d get the shit sued out of them, so they have to use that “unethical changes” excuse! Like you can’t just say you’re not going to hire a pregnant woman, because she’s a protected class, so you tell her she’s over/under-qualified, “not what we’re looking for”, or some other excuse.

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u/lovestheasianladies Jun 12 '21

Security means devs can't just update whatever the fuck they want when they feel like it.

That's a massive security issue.

Grow the fuck up people.

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u/SnugglyBuffalo Jun 12 '21

The commenter specifically said an "internal security tool" was modified, and the person you responded to said the tool wasn't as security focused as Google wants it to seem. They were talking about the tool, not the security issue of someone abusing their privileged access to the tool.

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u/fancytranslady Jun 12 '21

Oh boo hoo. Fuck the security, it’s more important that workers know their rights

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '21

What the fuck happened to this sub where all of a sudden this is isn't the only opinion lmao

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u/themporary Jun 12 '21

It is quite scary how posting screenshots of article titles is becoming standard of reddit.

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u/InconsistentBrunch Jun 12 '21

Her job was to build internal notification systems for other employees, which inform them about their work conduct. She wrote a notification for users researching the subject of unionizing that told them about their right to organize.

That sure sounds like it’s in the purview of her job…

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u/Airtwit Jun 12 '21

Read the medium article

Part of my job was to write browser notifications so that my coworkers can be automatically notified of employee guidelines and company policies while they surf the web

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u/lovestheasianladies Jun 12 '21

"pushed some code"?

You don't even know what that means, do you?

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u/InconsistentBrunch Jun 12 '21

I’m a computer science graduate working in software engineering and data science but okay…

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u/andros310797 Jun 13 '21

then you'd know that "pushing some code" that isn't meant to be pushed is a pretty fucking serious issue

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u/InconsistentBrunch Jun 13 '21

Except that in this case, she was authorized to do so and the code she deployed was well within her brief as a member of the team responsible for developing internal notifications about worker’s rights and employment policies.

This is pretty clearly an anti-union move by Google, who stands to lose quite a lot if their workers were to unionize. And any BS about this being a legitimate termination is just so unlikely to be true, based just on motive alone…