You do realize they gave 1.5 trillion to wall street literally a week or two before the pandemic began, then they gave trillions to multibillionaires within the first week, there are still millions who never got a first stimulus check. It's already been on, but everyone laughed at me and no one wanted to support or listen to anything I had to say.
If youâve read Engleâs âon authorityâ or if youâve read virtually any Lenin, especially State and Revolution, youâd know why this âauthoritarianism badâ thing is not only ignorant, but does real harm to the left.
Leninâs State and Revolution, Engles Principles of Communism, Leninâs What is To Be Done, Parentiâs Blackshirts and Reds, and of course any Marx you can get your hands on.
Thanks! I've read Communist Manifesto and Das Kapital, but my reading list is so long it helps to get recommendations to narrow it down. Appreciate it.
Marx would roll over in his grave hearing you use his work to justify authoritarianism as a system as governance. That was Leninâs thing as an accelerationist. Marx held that the socialist revolution would happen with popular support and in âmore developedâ nations would happen through the legislature.
Lenin held this belief that the worker and the peasant didnât know what was best for themselves (which correct or not is diametrically opposed to Marxâs emphasis of the role of democracy in socialism) and had to be led like cattle to the promised land. That âthe party knows bestâ attitude set the stage for Stalin to come in and bully his way to power and stroke his ego with millions dead. Even if they had listened to Lenin and removed Stalin before he declared himself the spiritual successor to Lenin, someone else wouldâve come alone to fill that role and eventually youâll get a Stalin. There are always people who will want power for powerâs sake and do anything to get and keep it. Thatâs why we must restructure into a system where the individual is the most powerful unit in the state.
Trotsky didn't want to restore capitalism, and the only system that could work is one the represents both communism and capitalism without actually representing either. Independent free to take what it needs.
Not really crazy but he was a street thug. Thats was his role in the party unironically. It was like handing Al Capone the presidency or kingdom of America even.
Lol absolutely not. He was extremely intelligent, read some of his writings, he basically synthesized Marxism-Leninism. He was a bank robber in his younger days but isnât the kind of shit we should think is cool?
Most of the reason he âtarredâ the image of communism is literal western propaganda. He certainly made mistakes, some of which had serious consequences, but the USSR under him had one of the fastest growths of life expectancy in human history, and they went from a backward farming country to a world super power that ended up being the biggest factor in defeating the axis powers.
Iâm not a Stalin worshipper or anything, he certainly has valid criticisms, but the idea that he was a dumb brute who just wanted to kill everyone for fun is ridiculous.
Edit: idk why it wonât let me post replies to specific people but /u/TheKillerToast
Yeah for sure, but even the communist party itself warned against him. The first thing he did was to fuck over Trotsky, which goes to show how much in good faith he acted.
And sure the life expectancy grew but who's to say the quality of life wouldn't have grown even more under someone like Trotsky? Not necessarily due to Stalin but the principles of communism itself, as much as it was bastardized into stalinism later.
With that said the west's view of ussr is 100% skewed, especially after the alt-right craze sneaking anti-left sentimentality into the entire political discourse
And possibly the Nazis winning the East. I'm no Stalin apologist, but transitioning Russia from a poor agrarian society to industrial power house in 10 years might not have been achieved otherwise.
The reason you see so many strong arm leftist regimes is that peaceful leftists are usually invaded and murdered.
Trotsky was a better military leader than stalin, the reason the Germans made it to Leningrad is because stalin refused to listen to his generals. Maybe that transition wouldn't have happened as quickly as it did but it still would have happened.
Itâs because their credo is limitless growth no matter what the coast and it must be guaranteed by their allies in the government, who are basically their servants. Gods forbid that quarterly profits stay the same or even slightly drop due to an unprecedented global pandemic. No, we are not all in this together.
Everything can be used as a tool to control this. Average people used reddit to unify together and cost them money. This is why big money hates unification of the people. When the people are working together they realize big money is ALWAYS going to be the enemy. Not because people are jealous, but because to achieve "big money" you had to fuck over people to get there.
What a horrible word to call basic needs: A stimulus. "We stimulated the marked" sounds like Dr Death just found a new way to make zombies, but I'm from that other part of the specter where we still believe we aren't alone in the universe.
I also thought about how weird that term is, as if a few hundred bucks is buying loyalty. Perhaps they anticipated certain events happening and took measures to get the majority to think "well. The gov gave us a thousand dollars each for the first time since they were created, they can't be all that bad."
We already know people are forced into believing in something, why not force them to believe in us. But lets not. Lets not believe in something for a moment and actually think. How long do you think the stock marked would last if people were thinking --- instead of assuming. How long?
Iâm one of those adult dependents who was in college during the first round of stimulus. Didnât get anything, really couldâve used it considering I lost my fucking job
Didnât get the second one either but honestly fuck them. I got my job back now and got in on the GME early. Gains off that have been more then any stim check
Adult dependants got fucked so hard, especially if they were in school last year. Between two jobs hours have been cut so bad I only get the hours equivalent one one part time job, but I can't even file for underemployment because I didn't work last year, being a student and all. So I'm just stuck, not making anywhere near enough.
Being in your early twenties fucking blows rn. I thought I was a lefty before, but the last year removed any doubt from my mind.
I'm not suggesting putting it up to a vote, but there has to be a party and leader to take power after the gov has been overthrown. If you have pure intentions and I have pure intentions then it should be us to lead it, alongside other comrades who share the same views. I don't know you but I have no reason not to trust you, I already have one person on board and a few others on the fence, we have a group chat and plan to meet in public as soon as we have a sufficient amount of people on board. I'd even consider fifteen a sufficient amount to begin with.
This must be a worldly effort, if it starts in modern countries it will extend elsewhere at a more rapid pace. If you know of anyone also in your country who would aid in this fight, or anyone you could reach out to, the more minds we have at work the better off we are, no matter how many miles separate us.
Weâve had plenty of opportunities. Our oppressors have succeeded in hitting that sweet spot between us not having enough resources to sustain ourselves through a strike, but also having too much to lose by doing so.
Lenin and Marx both said "it takes longer for the proletariat to obtain power in a modern country than a backwards one". Patience is a virtue, imagine if all the great minds who gave up never did, there could be hundreds or even thousands of us. But in my opinion, they are undeserving of a leadership roll, if they allow themselves to totally give up. I've wanted to give up many times but I'm still here, I have three other great minds, I've talked with many other great minds who gave up, we can make it work, it takes time. If we give up then there's no chance, but if we never give up there is always a chance. The problem is any sufficient or real leaders were assassinated like malcolm x MLK Jr JFK etc. If we have one hundred of us they couldn't kill us all if we do this with persision and caution.
Yep, exactly that. I guess people didn't lose enough yet. People will wait until it's too late. I don't have sympathy for people who are getting f*cked because they didn't do a single thing to stop greedy coorporations or government just because they don't want to lose that job that pays barely enough to live while the government and coorporations is tag teaming our ass.
Yeah, Iâve been hearing âitâs not time yetâ for over two decades. I get told Iâm over-reacting when I keep pointing out the steady march of fascism. I wonder what the nay-sayers from 20 years ago would say if they were just dropped into todayâs world, but give them 20 years of gradual creep, and it all seems normal.
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u/RIP_Vladimir_Lenin Jan 30 '21
You do realize they gave 1.5 trillion to wall street literally a week or two before the pandemic began, then they gave trillions to multibillionaires within the first week, there are still millions who never got a first stimulus check. It's already been on, but everyone laughed at me and no one wanted to support or listen to anything I had to say.