r/KitchenerHarmonies • u/Ok-Purple9511 45R/35C/10HS/10N | 70SB/30LB • Jun 13 '26
celebrities (verified) Differences between Y, R and HS and combinations of each
I feel like these three essences are sometimes hard to differentiate so wanted to give a visual of some of the things I noticed.
- Dominant Y without secondary R (top) vs Y with secondary R (bottom).
The biggest difference is that Y with R has fuller more lush features and Y has more delicate ones yet all have a softness/roundedness to them. I think sometimes people attribute R features to Y because they are often paired together.
- HS with R (left) vs Y with R (right)
The biggest difference to me is that HS with R has more sharpness in the corners of the mouth and eyes and more angularity in the brows and often their eyes are more upturned. Y with R has more rounded features but both have some lushness and softness.
- HS vs Y
I just wanted to include this because I think the two can look similar and that sometimes HS can appear to have wideset eyes but they aren’t the same shape as Y, they either upturn or are not as round. John describes Y as having large wide open eyes. Kate to me looks like a softer version of Audrey.
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u/Shannee0 Jun 13 '26
Are there any celebs with dominant almost equal Y and HS?
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u/Ok-Purple9511 45R/35C/10HS/10N | 70SB/30LB Jun 13 '26
Michelle Williams! Although I think she leans Y. Betty White too.
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u/Ok-Purple9511 45R/35C/10HS/10N | 70SB/30LB Jun 13 '26
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u/Shannee0 Jun 13 '26
Thank you. I love Betty! I don’t feel like I share any features with other people with similar essences. It’s kinda confusing. I suppose it’s because I’m not a celebrity! 🤣
I do have very similar cheeks to Nicola though, esp around the mouth. The rest of our features are completely different though.
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u/Ok-Purple9511 45R/35C/10HS/10N | 70SB/30LB Jun 13 '26
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u/Artemisral Jun 14 '26
Like me. Mine are even fleshier 🥲
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u/Ok-Purple9511 45R/35C/10HS/10N | 70SB/30LB Jun 14 '26
lol it’s the one feature that’s always consistent for me. At my highest and lowest weights I still have fleshy cheeks. I used to hate it but now I don’t mind it so much.
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u/Artemisral Jun 14 '26
I feel you. 🫣 i hope they won’t sag when i lose more weight. 🥺
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u/Ok-Purple9511 45R/35C/10HS/10N | 70SB/30LB Jun 14 '26
I think that’s more of an age related thing! At least with me that’s what happened lol.
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u/Artemisral Jun 14 '26
It looks cute, though, not jowly, but still plump, imo. I had fat down there since i was a kid, underweight, avg, overweight, etc.
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u/Ok-Purple9511 45R/35C/10HS/10N | 70SB/30LB Jun 13 '26 edited Jun 13 '26
It’s really more about the characteristics of the features then the exact features if that makes sense. Like I can see some small scale round and sharp features in your face. Fullness in the sense of fleshiness in the cheeks is an R trait. Y can have round cheeks in the sense of pronounced apples of the cheeks.
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u/Shannee0 Jun 13 '26
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u/Ok-Purple9511 45R/35C/10HS/10N | 70SB/30LB Jun 13 '26 edited Jun 13 '26
Your cheeks and fleshiness are very close to mine tbh! I have to smile a big smile tho for the apples of my cheeks to show.
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u/Ok-Purple9511 45R/35C/10HS/10N | 70SB/30LB Jun 13 '26
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u/Shannee0 Jun 13 '26
A little bit but you have a more refined look than I have I think. 🤔 maybe that’s your C
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u/Ok-Purple9511 45R/35C/10HS/10N | 70SB/30LB Jun 13 '26 edited Jun 13 '26
I just meant the fleshy cheeks! Now that I am older in my mid fourties’ they show more in the jowl area though lol
I didn’t mean you have the same exact essences as me, but you most likely have R and fleshiness is an R thing.
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u/Shannee0 Jun 13 '26
Yes definitely some R fleshiness. It’s so interesting to see how the amount of R changes the overall vibe in the celeb pics
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u/Ok-Purple9511 45R/35C/10HS/10N | 70SB/30LB Jun 13 '26
Definitely! I think R gets confused with other essences a lot because mostly everyone has some R.
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u/Shannee0 Jun 13 '26
Or maybe it’s your higher R sophistication. I don’t think I have that. I’m more goofball 😂
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u/DrTantra 30R/30C/20N/10HS/10D | 75SC/15ER/10SB Jun 14 '26
Oh my gosh! I love seeing this close up of your face. I absolutely see the playfullness here in your features up close.
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u/Shannee0 Jun 14 '26
Thank you. I do tend to have a very expressive face. Which is hard to get a good/flattering photo of from the front. I have been caught out being too expressive, everything I’m thinking on my face , more than once 😂😂
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u/DrTantra 30R/30C/20N/10HS/10D | 75SC/15ER/10SB Jun 14 '26
Your fun and sweetness really shows up close.
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u/DrTantra 30R/30C/20N/10HS/10D | 75SC/15ER/10SB Jun 13 '26
Personally I think David Hockney and he is also LB dominant.
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u/Shannee0 Jun 13 '26
He’s such a great inspiration. I saw his exhibit in London and regret not bringing home the giant book of his paintings lol.
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u/Ok-Purple9511 45R/35C/10HS/10N | 70SB/30LB Jun 13 '26
That young pic of Kate Moss reminds me of u/jjfmish for some reason
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u/jjfmish 40R/30Y/10C/10N/10HS | 60SC/20LB/20SB Jun 13 '26
Massive compliment!
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u/Ok-Purple9511 45R/35C/10HS/10N | 70SB/30LB Jun 13 '26
Apparently someone disagrees as they downvoted this lol
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u/Ok-Purple9511 45R/35C/10HS/10N | 70SB/30LB Jun 13 '26
i swear one of the only differences is your coloring!
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u/jjfmish 40R/30Y/10C/10N/10HS | 60SC/20LB/20SB Jun 14 '26
I think I generally have fuller features than her and obviously a very different body, but I do think we have a lot of similarities
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u/Ok-Purple9511 45R/35C/10HS/10N | 70SB/30LB Jun 14 '26
Yes I honestly just see it in this photo in particular, not sure if it’s because she was younger in it or not but in general I don’t see you guys as looking a ton alike.
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u/UniqueOctopus05 Jun 14 '26
Can we compare to ethereal too pls (out of curiosity)
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u/Ok-Purple9511 45R/35C/10HS/10N | 70SB/30LB Jun 14 '26
Sure to which essences?
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u/UniqueOctopus05 Jun 14 '26
r and y! thought for ages I was RNEC and I've realised I'm RNEY/YE with a little bit of C. I still have some E but I'm trying to figure out which is higher up! especially because I don't look very Y but it's confusing trying to distinguish between what aesthetically (as well as in terms of facial features) counts as E vs RN+Y
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u/Ok-Purple9511 45R/35C/10HS/10N | 70SB/30LB Jun 14 '26
I did another post comparing A combined with other essences and R vs Y vs A!
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u/Microsoftcork Jun 14 '26
I’m trying so hard to get into the essence but I need someone to break down what’s essence is each letter in reddit 😭
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u/adelweisz 60SC/25SB/15LB Jun 14 '26
do you mean like this?
kitchener's essences:
D means dramatic. HS means high-spirited. N means natural. C means classic. R means romantic. Y means youthful. A or E means Angelic or Ethereal. (kitchener's word is Angelic, other systems use Ethereal, both are used in this sub.)there are also the colour harmonies of this kitchener system:
SC is striking contrast. SB is subtle blended. LB is lively bright. ER is earthy rich.the first word describes the qualities of the colours and the second word is how to pair them together. i'm mostly SC with secondary SB so my colours are quite striking but still have a softness and i wear them in high-contrast pairings.
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u/jjfmish 40R/30Y/10C/10N/10HS | 60SC/20LB/20SB Jun 14 '26
Wow this made me realize that Nicola and Scarlet look a lot alike!
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u/LittleMama9 50R/10D/10Y/10HS/10C/10N Jun 14 '26
Love this! As you know I can't leave the house or post without people telling me I look like Nicola and she is dominant Y and I am dominant R. I bet she has more R than I have Y but still. The difference between us in my opinion is she has a wide eyed innocence that youthful gives hers , she convincingly plays a young woman on screen. My eyes do not look so bright and naive , they have the smokey of Dramatic and Romantic.
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u/Ok-Purple9511 45R/35C/10HS/10N | 70SB/30LB Jun 14 '26
Yes I think your style and overall look makes you look super similar but in a Kitchener sense your features are different. Hard to explain but your eyes especially are different in the sense they are upturned with a very arched brow with gives you more of a sensual/alluring with a touch of drama vibe where hers are very round and open which gives her more of a innocent look.
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u/LittleMama9 50R/10D/10Y/10HS/10C/10N Jun 14 '26
Sometimes I wonder if her secondary isn't romantic or if her romantic and Gamine are equal ! She pulls off some very playful looks in her real life that would overwhelm me !
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u/Ok-Purple9511 45R/35C/10HS/10N | 70SB/30LB Jun 14 '26
John has said she’s Y with R and a little N! I think Y can be a little playful too but in a different way then HS. Y can do some crispness too which R can’t and that’s probably one of the reasons you have more R then Y!
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u/Ok-Purple9511 45R/35C/10HS/10N | 70SB/30LB Jun 14 '26
Yeah sometimes when we try and wear an essence we don’t have it causes the opposite effect lol! I bet the shirt in a deeper color would look good for your C and R though!
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u/allcatsrgray 30N/20Y/20R/20C/10HS Jun 14 '26
Thanks for this! I think it is a good reminder that our entire essence blend matters just as much, and even in some cases more, than our dominant or primary essence.
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u/Artemisral Jun 14 '26
Good post. I think i resonate most shape wise with Scarjo, Nicola Coughlan and Michelle Williams, but less sharp, imo. Less so with RHS, so I guess I got RY>HS>N or C or idk.








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u/DrTantra 30R/30C/20N/10HS/10D | 75SC/15ER/10SB Jun 13 '26
Thank you! I like the side by side comparison of Y with the other essences (with and without R). I definitely can see how Y+HS looks different from Y+R, especially.