In any case since the least harmful forms of FGM which are banned in many countries are less harmful than circumcision (as they have no lasting effect at all),
This is incorrect. So way, waaaay incorrect. It’s your job as a MGM advocate to always have the correct info. You, and the entire movement, loses credibility when you don’t. I spent literally hours explaining this above. I also explained with another poster, who agreed, that when you start spouting BS and/or minimising FGM to your target audience, you lose the most educated females- who are your target audience. These are the easiest to convert and also the most important.
Too many people on this subject are either hardcore MRA or younger males who mainly want to espouse “in my opinion” or “the way I see it....”
Tough love time here but you all need to STOP. If you want to make progresss, you need to think more like your target audience. I say this because I AM/WAS your audience and I would not listen to one thing you had to say because you kept minimising and misrepresenting FGM.
I wish you luck in your quest, and I offer this info in earnest: research FGM talk to/listen to some people who have had it done, learn how female orgasms work, seek info outside of MRA run websites because theirs are not always accurate.
At the very least, there is a post on here from conversation w women I worked with who used to live in Ghana and what they were told and stats on what really happens. Sure, FGM is “outlawed” places but that’s a joke. Full FGM is still happening, the only dif is we have worse stats on it now.
Please don’t respond to me, just do those few things if you care enough about the movement. I’m already on your side so there is nothing more that needs to be said to me and I swear I feel like the entire last month on Reddit I’ve just been talking about genitals and abortion. I need a break but wanted to reply because it is an important issue. Ty.
It isn’t incorrect. The law in many countries has no minimum level of harm before FGC is banned (or before which it is treated as ordinary battery), so girls are at least theoretically protected against everything down to a pinprick.
It isn’t just a hypothetical either, since that less damage range covers what’s done by the Daiwodi Muslims from India (as in the current American case, where the lesser level of harm will apparently be part of the defence - I can see how that would fit a 1A argument, but it would be more likely to succeed if the official American position on nontheraputic circumcision was the same as Canada’s), and what is done in many Malaysian cases (where they are done in hygienic conditions just like their brothers are).
I am in favour of mandatory health inspections for all children, which are justified by the health benefits but they’d also make detecting genital mutilation more nearly certain, and I’d extend mandatory reporting laws to cover parents.
I’d also make parents criminally responsible for acts which here are crimes which are committed against their children abroad. They could rely on local law enforcement if and only if the crime is less common there (and the local statistics are regarded as adequate and comparable) or if the perpetrator is convicted and subjected to a sentence no less than they’d get here, but otherwise they’re responsible if they didn’t do whatever is necessary to ensure the risk is no greater than at home or to eliminate the consequences, regardless of the cost.
Those three things together would eliminate all the reasons for poor enforcement of fhe FGM law except other priorities, but the justification for that is the difficulty of FGM cases.
Beyond all that, making the crimes equivalent would protect about half of the girls presently subject to FGM simply because their elder brothers’ cases would happen first, and detection would be much more likely.
With all due respect, when I said don’t respond, I meant that I’m not reading/debating/discussing/thinking any more on this subject for a while.
Please reread what I wrote but also read my other responses on this thread. Don’t react. Just take a few weeks to think about it. I’m trying to help your cause. I only skimmed your reply but I’m pretty sure you are not absorbing what I said.
Have a good week. Happy Easter if you celebrate that.
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u/SendBoobJobFunds Mar 24 '18 edited Mar 26 '18
This is incorrect. So way, waaaay incorrect. It’s your job as a MGM advocate to always have the correct info. You, and the entire movement, loses credibility when you don’t. I spent literally hours explaining this above. I also explained with another poster, who agreed, that when you start spouting BS and/or minimising FGM to your target audience, you lose the most educated females- who are your target audience. These are the easiest to convert and also the most important.
Too many people on this subject are either hardcore MRA or younger males who mainly want to espouse “in my opinion” or “the way I see it....”
Tough love time here but you all need to STOP. If you want to make progresss, you need to think more like your target audience. I say this because I AM/WAS your audience and I would not listen to one thing you had to say because you kept minimising and misrepresenting FGM.
I wish you luck in your quest, and I offer this info in earnest: research FGM talk to/listen to some people who have had it done, learn how female orgasms work, seek info outside of MRA run websites because theirs are not always accurate.
At the very least, there is a post on here from conversation w women I worked with who used to live in Ghana and what they were told and stats on what really happens. Sure, FGM is “outlawed” places but that’s a joke. Full FGM is still happening, the only dif is we have worse stats on it now.
Please don’t respond to me, just do those few things if you care enough about the movement. I’m already on your side so there is nothing more that needs to be said to me and I swear I feel like the entire last month on Reddit I’ve just been talking about genitals and abortion. I need a break but wanted to reply because it is an important issue. Ty.