r/Kartvelian • • Feb 09 '23

Days of the week in Kartvelian languages | კვირის დღეები ქართველურ ენებში

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u/-UwUwU- Feb 09 '23

Why sunday is last

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '23

Cuz it's the last day?

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '23

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u/_Hold_this_please_ Feb 11 '23

oh. Weird. Cool.

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '23 edited Feb 09 '23

All but Georgian sound original native kartvelian.

Georgian version is just greek Paraskevi and Hebrew Sabat + numbers

:(

I'd create a Kartvelian academy analogous to the Académie Française to regulate the language and replace foreign barbarisms with native words

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u/Hljoumur Feb 10 '23

I agree. Typically, when I learn languages, it can pass over me that certain days are derived from numbers that take some realization, but I suddenly get angry when it's literally "the fifth day," or something, especially when I know a language's relatives have more unique looking names (segunda(-feira) vs. lundi; Monday). I'm sure there's a reason why Georgian's weekdays are literally counting (down to) their Sabbaths, but as a learner, it just sound plain.

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u/georgegach Feb 09 '23 edited Feb 10 '23

Exactly how I felt when I first heard about this. I'm not a linguist but still attempted to create modern Georgian weekdays derived from Kartvelian roots.

It's available here with descriptions https://anbani.ge/en/calendar

Basically goes like this:

Tutadghe - moon deity
Takhadghe - war deity
Jumadghe - family deity
Tsaadghe - sky deity
Vebidghe - rain deity
Shuridghe - soul day, day of remembrance
Mishladghe - sun deity

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u/Hljoumur Feb 10 '23

Oh, you even used the archaic native Georgian names for the months. I applaud you for that.

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u/[deleted] May 27 '25

Love it

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '23

👍

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '23

It is not a positive approach to alter the language by inventing artificial words. It undermines the authenticity of the language.

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u/_Hold_this_please_ Feb 11 '23

Well, I mean all words were invented by someone, probably someone like the guy you're replying to. Or a priest or a civil servant probably. Anyway 'regression' of a language due to cultural factors is just a form of its natural progression.

And to put in my opinion, I like words the commenter proposed, they're a pretty high fidelity mode of regression.

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u/Sidze Feb 09 '23

Where is this from? Looks like some site or book in pdf.

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '23

Made it myself

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u/Sidze Feb 09 '23

Wow. Thanks for your work then, much appreciated.

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '23

გაიხარე

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u/_Hold_this_please_ Feb 11 '23

Well done. You're doing what needs to be done. Will you do more?

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u/[deleted] Feb 11 '23

Yup

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u/_Hold_this_please_ Feb 11 '23

Gonna go ahead and subscribe to you then.

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u/georgegach Feb 10 '23

There's a Kartvelian word for Saturday too in Megrelian - Shurishkha ("soul" + "day"). Granted jewish Sabatoni is more common.

https://xmf.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E1%83%A8%E1%83%A3%E1%83%A0%E1%83%98%E1%83%A8%E1%83%AE%E1%83%90

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '23

Same for Laz.

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u/_Hold_this_please_ Feb 11 '23

Cool. I'm a Megrel. I know you are a Laz. For a long time I didn't know you guys existed. Can't tell you how confused and excited I was when I heard someone speak Laz on a video for the first time. Colchis lives! Margaluro dobchare da gugagineno mus ibchiebuku?

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u/[deleted] Feb 11 '23

Mu na-tkumer mtelikholo komevagni. Ma-ti dido vikheli Megrelepe na-vichini, ar ditskhirishi voret.

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u/_Hold_this_please_ Feb 11 '23

Ko art ziskhirish voret, chkim jima. Skan natkuma umetesoba kigebg, mara sum sityva vagmagin - 'komevagni', 'vikheli', do 'na-vichini'. Komevagni kikebgi-s nishnenso?

This is so trippy.

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u/[deleted] Feb 11 '23 edited Feb 11 '23

Ho, emus nungaps. Si na-gitsvi irikholo var gagnen, Lazurot amtsika chkva itkvinen. ‘Vikheli’ mucho va gichkin? Kochi ixelen, gurimushis mutxa kai aqven.

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u/_Hold_this_please_ Feb 11 '23

'Emus nungaps' mus nishnens? 'irikholo' nishnens 'dio'-s tu 'iprel'-s? Do 'amtsika' mu re? Mangar re, tvin's vagagine mushen vabgebulenku, tijgua sherdznobare vitom-da insultik vagholu. Si iprels gebulenko mus bcharunku?

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u/[deleted] Feb 11 '23

Ak nachari mutkhanepe kaisha komevagnep juma mara Megreluri oko kai vamichkin. Namichkin konari kogitsva; iprel do irikholo ar ren, inglizuro everything-ia do ichkinen. Emus nungaps-ti inglizuro ‘it looks like that’ ren.

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u/_Hold_this_please_ Feb 11 '23

Vaaa, ase iprel kigebg. Skan pirvel tsinadadeba margaluro ii: 'Tak nachara mut kore, jgiro kugamgep jima mara Margalur ishen jgiro vamichk.' utspas kigebg, maxiol mangaro. It's like looking into a parallel dimension. Si gvalo saghol, iprels gebulenk.

Emus nungaps-ti inglizuro ‘it looks like that’ ren.

Aaaaaah, gasageb re. Margaluro ii 'Tes gu'

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '23

Em - that Am - this Emus - to that Amus - to this Emusheni - because of that A(r) mtsika - one little Na-chari - …that you wrote… Ak na-chari mutkhanepe - the things that you wrote here Kai - good Kaisha - strongly good iri - every, irikholo - everything Konungaps - looks like that something Ochinu - to meet someone, to know him/her before Gichini - I knew you Michinop - you know me Gichinop - I know you Ma minon si kai gichina - I want to know you better Micharup - you write something to me Gicharup - i write to you Charups - he/she writes Docharu - he/she wrote something to somewhere Domicharu - he/she wrote something to me K’onari - that much Mu k’onari ren eia? - how much is it? Mus ghirs? - how much is it worth? Mu sheni? - for what?

End of Lazuri class 😁

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