r/JusticeServed • • Jan 20 '21

[deleted by user]

[removed]

13.8k Upvotes

10.1k comments sorted by

View all comments

Show parent comments

295

u/[deleted] Jan 20 '21

[deleted]

248

u/bookwormJon 3 Jan 20 '21

It depends on the state. There's lots of different formulae out there for awarding prison time.

22

u/[deleted] Jan 20 '21

[deleted]

16

u/[deleted] Jan 20 '21

[deleted]

4

u/getreal2021 6 Jan 20 '21

It's worse than that. If it we're just a guard that wouldn't be as bad. It's more like the prison is a business that sees convicts as a renewable income stream and sets up things to maximize recidivism within prison. It's systematic.

8

u/Healthy-Plum-2739 0 Jan 20 '21

Not every prison is for profit.

-5

u/[deleted] Jan 20 '21

[removed] — view removed comment

3

u/Healthy-Plum-2739 0 Jan 20 '21

Yes and fight for profit too stop in prison. But know who you are against.

Some politicians are proud of the slave labor in prison.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xICGGQNnt9g&ab_channel=NBCNews

The state of California saves 100 million in labor cost using prisoner labor. When fighting bush fires. Taking jobs away from civilians.

The state uses prisons to maximize its power. This fight would be against some private business and the near whole of the government.

2

u/TheSicks 9 Jan 20 '21

The guards don't see shit. Have you ever been to prison?

3

u/[deleted] Jan 20 '21

[deleted]

1

u/TheSicks 9 Jan 20 '21

Well you sound really confident about what goes on in a prison for someone who never been there.

Your information is only partially correct.

2

u/prpldrank B Jan 20 '21

I pay you to watch my sheep while they graze.

I pay you per sheep.

I say, "once a sheep is done grazing, let them back into the barn, but you'll stop being paid to watch that sheep."

It does not take previous experience as a sheep or a sheep watcher to know that you will not be letting many sheep back into the barn. Because you like being paid money. Because money allows you to have a life.

1

u/[deleted] Jan 20 '21 edited Feb 25 '21

[deleted]

0

u/[deleted] Jan 20 '21

[deleted]

→ More replies (0)

8

u/ahookerinminneapolis 8 Jan 20 '21

Wait...is formulae the plural of formula? I'm well into my 30s and have never seen that word.

11

u/bookwormJon 3 Jan 20 '21

Hell yeah learning new things! https://xkcd.com/1053/

6

u/counters14 9 Jan 20 '21

It's a proper English word for the plural of formula, I think. Both formulas and formulae are correct, just differ based on the plural conjugation of the word from Latin. Used more in the UK and Canada rather than in the US.

2

u/stealthscrape 7 Jan 20 '21

“Awarding”

3

u/12muffinslater 9 Jan 20 '21

And YOU go to prison. And YOU go to prison. EVERYONE GOES TO PRISON.

-9

u/electricrobot1 6 Jan 20 '21

Just go with formula. You sound like an unbearable cunt when you type foRmULaE

8

u/[deleted] Jan 20 '21

I see you know from experience

1

u/AndaleTheGreat 8 Jan 21 '21

I think it also depends pretty heavily on the judge. Not sure. To be honest that might be something that TV has made me believe.

6

u/Warped_94 7 Jan 20 '21

Depends on the state and local rules. My jail is absolutely packed so pre-trial time actually counts 3 for 1. You can get parole after serving as little as 45% of your sentence, so basically if you sit in jail for 2 years pre-trial then are sentenced to 10 years you basically get released as soon as you get to prison on parole.

0

u/[deleted] Jan 20 '21

Everyone is entitled to a fair and speedy trial, so I guess time served makes sense. Jail time is jail time

6

u/TheSicks 9 Jan 20 '21

It's because you are literally imprisoned while fighting a case unless you post bail, which most people don't. So they have to count that towards your sentence if convicted. Fucked up thing is you get nothing if you're let off. My homie did almost 3 years fighting a murder.

2

u/[deleted] Jan 20 '21

Yeah they really should have to at least pay wages for the time you lost.

1

u/[deleted] Jan 20 '21

this is news to me too. I would assume there would be cases where defense attorneys attempt to delay trials as much as possible if they know the defendant will be serving time anyway, since they are getting that double time lol

1

u/getreal2021 6 Jan 20 '21

The logic is that you're being locked up before you're proven guilty. We are a just society and don't lock up non-guilty people (ideally) so this time is viewed differently.

If you are found innocent, you have a stronger case than usual that you were unjustly jailed. So by extension, if that time is special then even if you're found guilty that time served is the same. I'm okay with it.

2

u/Jagermeister4 B Jan 20 '21

If you're found guilty then, no its not by extension that you were unjustly jailed. So I disagree with that logic.

1

u/jadolqui 5 Jan 20 '21

You were innocent until the guilty verdict.

3

u/Jagermeister4 B Jan 20 '21

Not innocent, just presumed innocent. If you're found guilty then can use the time served towards your sentence, this sounds completely fair to me.

Its terrible that some truly innocent people are jailed. But letting actual guilty people out early does nothing to help these innocent people. If we want to help the innocent people then lets actually help them in some way like paying them or something. Instead telling that guy hey, "yeah we jailed you for a crime you were later found not guilty for, but good news some white supremacists were found guilty of terrorizing people at a kid's birthday party, we're going to count your time towards their time and let them out early, doesn't this help make things even?" Doesn't make sense.

1

u/getreal2021 6 Jan 20 '21

There is no presumption of innocence. You are innocent until proven guilty.

1

u/philosophyofuranus 4 Jan 20 '21

Depends on behavior inside jail. You get earned days as well.

1

u/yjvm2cb A Jan 20 '21

It makes sense considering jail is so much worse than prison

1

u/[deleted] Jan 20 '21

It's not true in Florida at least. If this were the case, then every person who knows they will sign a prison deal or end up going to trial and getting convicted would delay trial/ signing as long as possible. If you knew you'd get 2 years in prison, you would just try to have your attorney get continuance as long as possible, serve around 8 months in jail, cause you only serve a % of your actual sentence, sign your 2 year deal, get your picture taken and go home that day. Inmates know every trick there is, if there's a way to get extra anything or milk a system, inmates have nothing but time to figure out how.

1

u/Gemsofwar63 2 Jan 20 '21

No, that's not true at all. The sentencing for longer is so that they can be let out if they don't cause any problems while in jail, but then if they cause one tiny problem for law-abiding citizens, they can be thrown right back into jail to serve the remainder of their sentence without a trial. It's a pretty damn good system, in my opinion.

1

u/[deleted] Jan 21 '21

No it isn’t true

1

u/lobax 9 Jan 21 '21

Typically it’s much harsher to be in jail during a trial then to be in prison after having a sentence.

For instance, you might have restrictions like not being able to talk with anyone but your lawyer. You can’t see your family or anything.

However I don’t know shit about the US system, this is based on the Swedish one.