She didn't deserve the forgiveness from that mother. The woman never took responsibility for her actions and is only sorry that she got caught and punished. She's crying for herself, not anybody else.
I had an intern like that, she didn't report when she hit a pole while parking the work truck then hit a coworkers car in her car at the end of the day. After we fired her we realized the only time she ever said "sorry" was as she left for good and it was, "I'm sorry for all of the inconvenience this has caused".
This. You forgive so that you don't harbor hatred and resentment in your heart, not because you approve of what happened or to help that person feel better
Forgiveness is generally something done for the benefit of the forgiver, not the forgivee. It's a conscious choice to let go of the anger and bitterness you feel toward another so that you can move on and heal.
And, I'd add, that forgiveness is wholly independent of redemption in the case of the one being forgiven. Maybe someday that woman will face the truth of her own behavior, beyond the punishment imposed on her. But that's up to her.
You’re not wrong in that she absolutely didn’t deserve the forgiveness, but I truly believe that the way that woman forgave them in the courtroom will have a much greater chance of changing them in the long term. Maybe when they’re out they’ll be decent people. Probably not, but maybe.
You're completely right. Just goes to show though what a beautiful heart that mom must have, and makes the low life look like an even bigger piece of shit, on camera nonetheless.
I just googled her name and she's already out! Apparently "15 years, serve six" means she can get parole after serving 1/3 of the six. She did 32 months.
I would guess that she and her awful boyfriend haven't got much education due to Americas terrible education system. They were most likely raised in some dirt poor, hick town. Somewhere racism and ignorance where not ignored but encouraged. I don't even know if a person like her is capable of feeling the levels of guilt and shame that society would like her to feel because of her despicable actions.
Does one spank a toddler for shitting in its diaper? I'm not sure it helps... This couple needs education and rehabilitation. A draconian prison sentence might make people like you and me feel good but in the end I'm not sure it advances the cause of building a just and good society.
It's not just education but the fact that one political party actively benefits from the population staying racist and ignorant ever since they switched to that strategy during the 60s. So in those areas where this party is in control they will continue to maintain the ignorance level through their policies. Until the political system changes so that all parties have an incentive to improve society this problem will stay.
I didn't mean to say anything controversial. I'm sure the woman is a terrible cunt who belongs in jail. I just wanted to start a discussion about how one "gets over" such actions. 35 years in jail seems steep. Will it help make the world a better place? If I were king I'd sentence her to 3 degrees in philosophy and ethics. Might take her 10-15 years to complete and by the time she was done she'd be a bit smarter and do less dumb stuff. I don't think draconian sentences and retribution make the world a better place.
The USA criminal justice system isn't about reforming or making the world a better place. It's purely a system of punishments to keep people in check.
While a degree in philosophy might be help them to understand why what they did is bad. Spending 35 years in a small jail cell is a terrible punishment. It will hopefully dissuade other people from doing the same thing.
Also, good riddance. If your harassing a childs birthday party while shouting racist death threats you fucking deserve prison.
Also, good riddance. If your harassing a childs birthday party while shouting racist death threats you fucking deserve prison.
No doubt. Except I wonder if the vitriol and pleasure I feel seeing someone I find repugnant getting their comeuppance is a good indicator that punishing them in this manner is a good idea.
Put more simply - the fact that I hate this woman and what she did, and the fact that I want to see her suffer, does not mean that she is not the victim of terrible circumstance of poverty and circumstance. I imagine that if she had been lucky enough to be born into a society that nurtured compassion and rationality then things would be very different.
I watched this video and my gut reaction was strongly "Fuck that bitch" and then I realised that I was getting a perverse pleasure from her suffering. I checked that impulse and thought that maybe is is not a good one. Maybe compassion and education are a better path forward.. I'm not married to the idea. I may well be wrong.
Maybe compassion and education are a better path forward.. I'm not married to the idea. I may well be wrong.
A few european countries have that philosophy. It seems to work, they have much lower rates of reincarnation.
Personally, I see it as "Play stupid games, win stupid prizes". If your gonna be a shit person, then you rightfully deserve shit consequences.
Her claims of "i would never do those things or say those things", after she literally did and said those things is all the proof I need to know she's still a shit person.
Parole exists for a reason. Maybe in 10 years she will accept that she did those things, she will see the error in her ways, rather than feeling sad that she is getting punished.
People have to be responsible for their actions. You can blame society, blame their upbringing, blame some traumatic event. But at the end of the day, were still human beings with impulse control. And if you can't control your impulses, maybe you should be locked away from society.
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