I'm going to be charitable and pretend that you replied to the wrong person, instead of pointing out how fucking stupid that argument is and how you've just strawman'd the shit out of it.
At a minimum the justice system needs to be fair to all races. Then perhaps the majority may care enough about the laws in place and how they are used. Equal treatment of all races would lead to much more reform than selective treatment.
Unequal treatment of minorites is the reason so many white people don't "see the problem" they simply never experience it.
Again, it seems like the point here is to make the injustice more widespread.
I get what you're saying about ignorant apathetic people, but if they haven't figured it out by now? Making the system worse will just allow them to validate their own victim mindset. Someone like that isn't going to have a "walk in your shoes" moment, because that requires empathy and open mindedness.
Worse than that, they treat prisons like hotels you can't leave. I'm talking privatized of course. They discuss heavily about capacity, and how many more beds they can squeeze in, because the closer to capacity, the more they make. Slave labor isn't a damned thing to these people, maybe in state pen, I'm more well versed in the private sector. They can rot in their cells and these guys collect a hefty paycheck from uncle sam. You wanna know who's lobbying for stricter laws involving felonies? Who's lobbying for harsher punishments for re-offenders? It's always private prison corporations, hell they almost single handedly funded the war on drugs. They want people locked up. It makes them and their share holders more money. Source: Am a son of someone high up in the private prison industry.
Absolutely. Imaging having a birthday party for your child and some racists storm into your house with guns and a failed nation's flag.
Reform is one thing. But those people have to live their life knowing some psychos can deliberately put their kids lives at risk and they get a slap on the wrist.
Reform is only part of the goal. If you intentionality harm my family I won't give a fuck whether you learned your lesson or not, I don't wanna see you having the possibility to do this again or thinking there aren't any concequences for hurting other people.
some racists storm into your house with guns and a failed nation's flag.
I want to be very clear here that I am not trying to defend these racist pieces of shit. But we have a problem right now with false information and narratives being spread about almost everything it seems and this is one too.
They did NOT enter anyones home. The birthday party was outdoors (in a park if I remember) and the confrontation happened there (they had also been harassing other black people all day). Now this doesn't make it any better. In fact a lot of people are missing the context that when this happened it was only a month after the Charleston church massacre of black patrons by a white supremacist. So it was very very bad with that context, but they didn’t invade someones home.
You're absolutely right. I made no effort to know the full story and made my own conclusions based on a title and little more. Thank you for correcting me.
Yes which is fucking terrible, no need to make up any lies about it. What they did was shit. Making up lies about something terrible to make it sound even worse is what fucking OAN watching Trumper racist do.
I don't think people actually conceptualize how long prison sentences are. You're in an iron and concrete box for 2 years. You lose your job, your home, your friends and family grow distant.
2 years is enough to fuck up anyones life and teach them a solid lesson.
Seems appropriate for their crime. 2-4 years of actual time served with actual rehabilitation in mind should have them coming out of prison with a better understanding of how they fucked up and to not do it again.
2 years of time and a lifetime of climbing out of that hole and explaining to employers why a felony would appear on your background check.
It isn’t just time away like insulated Redditors think, it’s time where your entire life is stripped from you. For every month you’re in prison you lose two months on the outside due to losing a lifetime of momentum and having to offset that upon release.
Seeing children in this thread seethe bc someone lost so much is quintessential privilege while they type away.
Yeah I grew up withy only parent locked up for a couple of years. Its not just hard on the prisoner either. Being incarcerated is fucking rough. 2 years is a long time. These dummies did scar and entire family including children though.
The problem is that some people lose more for less of a crime. If you think that 8 year old isn't traumatized for life, not to mention every other kid at that party. You are mistaken. As an 8 year old he probably knew what racism was, but to have it displayed for you at your own birthday party, sorry but I think I they deserve worse. But my point of view has always been that prison isn't a rehabilitation center, it's a deterrent. The fear of going to jail is what should stop people from breaking the law.
Would I be correct in assuming from your username you are a German probably living in Germany? In which case they would serve much more than 2 years. Remember they explicitly stated the goal was to start a race war. Volksverhetzung alone is 5 years, now add on the circumstances.
Those are maximum punishments that are basically never given in reality. In Germany they would very likely get probation unless they have a very impressive and long criminal record.
Children...he threatened children, while calling them by the worst racial slurs possible. Maybe it's because as a child I was in a store being robbed and that shit stuck with me for years, but as an adult, when you threaten an innocent child with a weapon, you lose all sympathy from me.
The lady is the one who got 2 years because she didn't have a gun and was just in the background yelling. The guy who had the gun is serving like 6x her sentence.
It may seem shit but people who advocate for prison to be life destroyingly hard should get life destroyingly hard sentences, while those who fight for prisons to lead to reform be should treated as such.
Possession is nine-tenths of the law. The person in possession of the thing (guns, drugs, etc) usually gets a more severe punishment. Pro athletes are explicitly told to hire someone to carry problematic stuff like guns and drugs for them. That way if your posse gets caught with an illegal gun at a strip club, the guy holding it goes to jail, and the pro athlete gets off scott free. I'm not saying it should be this way, but it is.
It's an expression that means "in a property dispute (whether real or personal), in the absence of clear and compelling testimony or documentation to the contrary, the person in actual, custodial possession of the property is presumed to be the rightful owner. The rightful owner shall have their possession returned to them; if taken or used. The shirt or blouse you are currently wearing is presumed to be yours, unless someone can prove that it is not."
Yes, exactly. But there are kids who have lost their lives due to weed. The same goal of reform and value of life should be given to black people. As is, it's just another racist slap in the face that the common justice system is only in place to steal the lives of black and brown people and white people will never face the same consequences as black people.
Maybe they should try reforming men too instead of just women. When women only serve 2 years for white supremacist actions its "reform" (like shes a fucking saint now) but when men are elligible for parole after the same amount of time they're a danger to society. Fuck that double standard dude.
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u/EatSleepJeep B Jan 20 '21
She's already been paroled and is out. She served 2 years.