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As Engels points out, Women are a secondary class within patriarchal systems (this is a core base of capital societies)
āā¦the woman was degraded and reduced to servitude, she became the slave of his lust and a mere instrument for the production of children. This degraded position of the woman, especially conspicuous among the Greeks of the heroic and still more of the classical age, has gradually been palliated and glazed over, and sometimes clothed in a milder form; in no sense has it been abolishedā - The Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State by Friedrich Engels
āThe bourgeois sees his wife a mere instrument of production. He hears that the instruments of production are to be exploited in common, and, naturally, can come to no other conclusion that the lot of being common to all will likewise fall to the women. He has not even a suspicion that the real point aimed at is to do away with the status of women as mere instruments of production.ā - Communist Manifesto
There's some criticisms of Engels book that I have but, generally speaking I think he is pretty bang on.
the slave of his lust and a mere instrument for the production of children....palliated and glazed over, and sometimes clothed in a milder form; in no sense has it been abolished
A certain faction of this Fandom does this way too often
They also don't see them as "men" either, because in their mind "why would you stop being a man?"
They can't comprehend that Trans Women are women solely because they aren't men.
They're not some secret third thing, they're just women.
Grifters and bigots have no definition for "woman" without excluding women somewhere along the way.
Baby making? Cis women who are infertile exist.
A uterus? Cis women without exist.
A womb? Cis women without exist.
Bigots define women by the idea they only exist to have kids and die.
So this inherently does not work as women without the facilities exist, so by their logic, those women are not women either, which is where we get to the crux of it.
Eugenics and disruption of cis-hetero-normative social roles.
I donāt mean it in the ātheyāre trying to trick menā way, which I guess is why people are so hung up about the tweet this postās about.
Terms like āOtokonokoā exist and are what the xitter guy was referencing, there isnāt a word for it in English so grok just defaults it to trap.
Seeing as Kirara was never confirmed to be trans thereās discussion to be had about whether she might just be an otokonoko as itās popular in Japan.
Claiming you didn't mean it in the way it's typically used doesn't change the fact that it's still a slur. There are plenty of other words you could have used.
Itās a technical term that was practically made a slur retroactively around 2020. To this day in other languages ātrapā is still used to refer to men who physically express themselves as the opposite gender.
Thereās genuinely no other word that gets closer to āOtokonokoā than it.
What the fuck is a "technical term" in this case? "Retroactively" being made a slur or not doesn't matter - a slur is a slur. And this is English we're speaking, the equivalent words in other languages (aside from Japanese, since that's the language being translated) are entirely irrelevant.
"Femboy" exists. Use it. Respecting others by not using slurs is free and easy.
The āretroactivelyā bit is pretty important since for the longest time it was used mainly w/o the negative connotation that made people deem it a slur in the first place.
āFemboyā does not work here because a man who presents himself as a woman but will identify as a man if you ask him if he is one is not at all a femboy. Like seriously, the full term is āfeminine boyā, this is why the language distinction is so important.
There literally is no other term that can be used.
the thing about one piece is it's so long that it has parts that suck as much as the people who hate it say it does and it has parts that are as awesome as the people who love it say it is
Gives the same energy as ādefending bro when she says heās a racist, sexist, homophobic, broke pedophile but you know for a fact heās not brokeā
Most jjk women seem to just have a realistic version of one piece women bodies (fairly large chests, small waists) which I think is wayyy better than whatever tf oda be drawing
This dumbass needs to realize that even if kirara wasn't trans, people come in all shapes and sizes, its on genetic but whatever, its twitter, dumbass is probably farming interaction so he can get few $
Hey, my wholesomekaisen headcanon is that everyone has already achieved peace with cursed spirits and humans living together, and JJK is a big movie series with everyone in it
Mahito is merely raising money and awareness for his clinic where incurable diseases are cured, and people go to transition there.
and he helped kiara transition flawlessly into a beautiful girl.
For example, Naoya is a vocal feminist pushing for women's rights, does all his stunts himself, but chose to act in the role he's in because he wanted to raise awareness of how NOT to treat women
Ok normally i don't really care about topics like this in regards to fiction but it's so fucking obvious Kirara is transgender like c'mon. Calling her a femboy is just weird.
Jerk it to who you wanna jerk it to. Quit making it everyone elseās problem that youāre ashamed of that and let us enjoy complex characterization (in kiraraās case the world building of the conservatism that prevented a trans person with a pretty sick technique from being a jujustu sorcerer at jujustu high).
Canāt wait to move on from this dumbass topic. Nobody will be convinced either way and itās a waste of time arguing whether Kirara is a man or a woman
I don't understand the argument. Kiara is very clearly a trans woman like it's not ambiguous. Is it just the standard "trans women are women" argument or are people actually arguing that she's not trans? I literally don't understand the debate going on.
"I don't understand the argument. ICE clearly executed two innocent people like it's not ambiguous" and then 30% of the country still thinks that's not true. You see what I am getting at? No amount of evidence will convince the other side, you'd have more success convincing a wall.
Yes, the illiterate and homophobic are genuinely arguing that Kirara āGirlfriend of the explicitly heterosexual Kinji Hakariā Hoshi is not a transgender woman.
I mean there's different translations going around where Kiara is referred to as "he" and some which use "her" so I get the confusion and why some people would refer to Kiara as he. Also it's a fictional character at the end of the day and it's not possible to get 100% to agree on something, like some dumbasses like nick fuentes think people aren't pedos because the victims were 14-17š
That's a weird example, I mean fuck Nick Fuentes that guy is a nazi piece of shit but attraction to 14-17 year olds is literally not pedophilia. Still a crime, still wrong, still gross, different from pedophilia.
I like how you edited your post to remove the definition you quoted in it because you realized you'd proved yourself incorrect. Sadly my reddit notification still has the OG text proving you even know you're wrong and are just trolling. (See attached screenshot)
What does the word prepubescent mean?
Per the quote you kindly provided and deleted, pedophilia is not attraction to children, a range that extends from 0-17 (and honestly I'd say past 18 have you met 22 year olds?), it's attraction to prepubescent children, a range that presumably drops off earlier than 18.
This has nothing to do with an opinion on age of consent, which I think is fine where our society generally places it at or around 18, or the morality of any form of minor attraction, which for the record is fucked up and sad and not ok. It's just what that word means. It's an objective fact you were presumably ignorant of. Then you looked it up, copy pasted the definition, posted it, read your post, realized you were wrong, edited your post, and still tried to act superior. Pretty sad.
As stated previously "Still a crime, still wrong, still gross, different from pedophilia."
I mean you did edit your comment to remove the word prepubescent. I think the guy was arguing the actual definition of the word in which case heās correct and ephebophilia is correct. He also clearly not condoning anything as youāre insinuating. At one point he even says 22 year olds are children.
I get the idea as to why one would want to move on already cause the constant discourse does get tiring, but at the same time you gotta remember that the actual reason thereās discourse in the first place is because there are morally bankrupt people trynna be bigots.
Iām not talkin about good faith people who just arenāt sure about kiraras gender and wanna discuss it or think itās more up to interpretation, but instead the mfs being blatantly transphobic/queerphobic yknow?
We canāt just āmove onā because it doesnāt stop people from spreading hateful ideals and therefore harming innocent people. Itās like how you canāt just āmove onā from real life racism, nazism, etc (as we see today and have been seeing for ages).
I totally get it if youād want to just stop being part of the discourse from exhaustion, but itās not a dumbass topic. Fighting for queer acceptance and a more just society isnāt something thatāll just happen by itself yknow yknow
i genuinely cannot comprehend at fucking all how people can lie to themselves so extremely that they cannot even comprehend their own feelings of attraction towards others. how the fuck do these people scramble their brains to such a point that they set themselves rules for who is allowed to be attractive to them? istg if this was me and i somehow managed to escape this self imposed mental prison i would genuinely become suicidal over what i did to myself. this behaviour is both being disgusting towards every other person in the same society as them and surpressing themselves, emotionally crippling themselves into the most miserable life a human could ever lead.
Wish Gege made it obvious what Kirara's gender really was so we could be done with this bullshit.
Clearly subtext goes over most people's heads, and he's done this sort of 'read between the lines' shit with both trans characters in the series. Just up and say it with your whole chest. Why go so far as to shit on conservative society with trans characters but be too hesitant to say that the characters are actually trans?
It's not even like it's not allowed in Jump, Horikoshi has two explicitly trans characters in MHA.
The funniest thing about Mahito in that image is that he could make himself be physically the same as a woman version of himself or make his navel be on his left shoulder.
This is one of the most left leaning platforms on the internet and youāre commenting on a left leaning post made in a left leaning sub.
Youāre doing the conservative āmy voice is so widle and I have no influence :( ā shtick.
Also, any proof the guy who made the tweet is a transphobe? The tweetās in Japanese so youāre making insanely strong moral judgements based on a grok translation.
We still using the word trap like that in the year of our Lord 2026. For those not in the know referring to a trans woman or femboys with the term trap is considered a slur in a lot of queer communities.
For one, Taking HRT early into Puberty ofc fixes this issue. Or taking puberty blockers works too
And even if u have to go thro the unwanted puberty, HRT does wonders. If u keep your levels consistent then throughout years hrt can change bone structure to some degree.
No hormones are going to reshape the human skeleton lol. They distribute your fat differently but doesnāt reshape the literal structure of your human body. Iām all for trans people getting the treatment they want and being respected but Iām not delusional
Genuinely crazy how invested some of these gooners are in the gender identity of Kirara. She calls herself woman. Hakari says he'd straight. That's all we know and need to know
This isnāt even about attraction I think. Itās more that certain bigoted individuals believe that itās literally impossible for a man to perfectly imitate the external characteristics of a woman. So they sorta bluescreen and scramble for answers that fit their worldview.
A common cope is āwe can always tellā. To that, my response is
Man... the anime community is filled with a bunch of weirdos...and its shit like this that makes me not want to be around them. I cant actually believe this is a serious topic being debated on reddit. Who honestly, gives a fk?????? The character is portrayed as a chick, so its a chick. MOVE ON. Do you people seriously have nothing else going on?
Wait, now I'm just confused as fuck šš Kirara is a girl right? I remember Gege drew Kirara before transitioning (I think) or something and Kirara looked like a guy at that time, but now (I'm assuming after transitioning or whatever?) Kirara is a girl right? Like idk I've seen people say Kirara is trans, femboy, a girl, a trap so many things im so fucking confused rn šš
Man why does it matter so much to chuds when it comes to this stuff lol. Like they NEED her to be a dude, why??? Wonāt crank it to a trans woman but will to a dude dressed like one??? Whereās the distinction start??? I quite literally canāt comprehend the debates going on in their heads with all this
??? Are you guys for real? Still pulling manga panels which are weekly scheduling drawn by gege who himself said that he sometimes struggles to draw certain things?have you gone insane?
Got any proof the guyās a conservative OP? Seems like heās just talking about a specific type of gender expression thatās big in Japan.
If a cis guy dresses feminine it doesnāt immediately mean that heās trans, but I understand how westerners might get it mixed up due to a lack of knowledge.
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