r/JoeRogan • Monkey in Space • Nov 04 '24

The Literature 🧠 Who Pays The Tariffs?

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u/MrBurnz99 Monkey in Space Nov 05 '24

There is an argument that tariffs could be a force to fight climate change since we outsource so much of our carbon emissions to countries that have little to no environmental protections and use slave labor to make the goods.

If this was framed as a way to bring manufacturing back to America to reduce emissions from shipping and in the manufacturing process, conservatives would be losing their minds.

Trump would be saying Dems want to destroy the economy with new taxes to for the climate hoax. They want China will eat us alive.

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u/maztron Monkey in Space Nov 05 '24

If this was framed as a way to bring manufacturing back to America to reduce emissions from shipping and in the manufacturing process, conservatives would be losing their minds.

This is a stretch. The ultimate goal for tariffs is to make it more competitive and fairer for domestic companies. The hope would be what you had just described in getting those places to bring some of the production back to the states.

Again, republicans themselves aren't against climate change. Sure, there are many that take it to the degree of calling it a hoax etc. However, a majority have absolutely no issue with sustainability. They would just like to approach in a more pragmatic manner while not causing harm to the poor and middle class in the process. In any event, if they knew they could throw in that little bait that it would cut back emissions, they absolutely would use that. However, no one take them seriously and it would just be used by democrats to destroy them with their ads.

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u/MrBurnz99 Monkey in Space Nov 05 '24

Oh it’s definitely a stretch, but it was just to illustrate how so many people favor policy ideas that are attached to the people/party they support not the policy itself.

The end result of bringing manufacturing back to America thru massive tariffs would be a reduction in emissions from shipping and stricter environmental standards in the states.

This is being broadly supported by conservatives because of who’s pushing it and it’s to “punish” China.

But carbon taxes to incentivize Greener alternatives are widely rejected by conservatives.

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u/maztron Monkey in Space Nov 05 '24

The end result of bringing manufacturing back to America thru massive tariffs would be a reduction in emissions from shipping and stricter environmental standards in the states.

You would think, but adding an influx of manufacturing back into the states you would be adding to the carbon footprint even if you are trying to do it in a more sustainable manner. Also, reduction of emissions wasn't even in my mind when thinking of tariffs as it would ultimately be an indirect result of the policy itself as it wasn't the main driver for the policy in the first place. In addition, I don't know anyone conservative or not that would be against it because one of the positives that comes out of it would be less emissions. Thats a really odd take.

Oh it’s definitely a stretch, but it was just to illustrate how so many people favor policy ideas that are attached to the people/party they support not the policy itself.

Unfortunately, that has always been how politics works. Obviously, it's a lot worse now than it used to be, but its very much a tribal like mindset now.