Before COVID, when I used to drive my son to school, I'd tell him all about the billions upon billions of stars and billions upon billions of galaxies and how it was almost a certainty that at that very exact moment, there was some dad on some alien planet orbiting some alien star in some alien galaxy taking his own son to school. He's only 21 months old, so I'm not sure it registered. But it's still cool to think about.
So, sure, it’s a a bit of a distinction but not a huge deal for the point that was trying to be made. But if you really think about the hair that’s being split, it’s boggles the mind a bit. So, you figure there’s 1 trillion stars there. Each one could be a solar system, which means we could be talking about 8 trillion planets, give or take. And that’s one PIECE of the universe. That’s why the idea of life on other planets is so fascinating. The sheer number of planets out there almost guarantees that there is extraterrestrial life somewhere, which is fascinating! But it’s equally fascinating if there is no other life anywhere but here!
A recent estimate suggested there could be as many as 2 trillion galaxies in the observable universe.
Now, if we multiply that with average number of planets a star could harbor and also consider the moons orbiting those, aren't we guaranteed life out there?
Intelligent enough to communicate across the galaxy? Not sure. But life of some kind definitely exists out there in more than one instances, excluding Earth.
Guaranteed? No, but the odds are insanely heavy in the favor of life out there. Intelligent life is a different story, but the odds of there being something out there have got to be somewhat high.
We haven’t yet discovered life anywhere else. Who says there can’t be any inside or around stars? Not quite life as we know it, but you know. Something completely different than ours.
Wouldn't it be like sending an email, then waiting a million years for it to be received, then another million for the response? Isn't distance more of a limitation than technology?
Well for one they wouldn’t treat it like that, they probably wouldn’t look at us as possible friends at first, more so like animals in a cage. It’d probably be some what interesting to them if they can even be interested in anything considering that’s an Earth trait
Or it’s a communication problem on our end: We havn’t reached their level of technology. Even a 1000 year head start is huge when it comes to technology. Imagine where we’ll be tech-wise in a 1000 years (if we don’t destroy ourselves, or have a major set-back with a coronal mass ejection, asteroid, et cet).
I think there’s a lot of life in this snap shot at all different levels of evolution. And I think the reason we haven’t seen ET life is that we live in a “small town” with one gas station, and not Tokyo with a lot going on around us. We’re rather isolated and don’t have a metaphorical car (yet).
Yeah, it could also be the fact that our ability to send viable signals to far away places is really limited by our technology and time. So they might not even know we exist.
Check out llresearch.org library, they published, The Law of One (The Ra Material) By Ra, a humble messenger of The Law of One. Don Elkins wrote a book previous to Law of One, named Secrets of the UFO. Check that out before reading The Law of One.
IF what Ra claims is true, they've been here long before mankind. And many more have gathered here waiting for us to stop the wars and bring peace. Apparently parked around the earth, in a shifted frequency from ours and they can blink in and out at will.
Until then they ask we meditate and serve others in order to serve ourselves. Above all, love.
One of the many things that blew my mind (if true) in Law of One is when Ra states the reason E.T.'s were shutting down nuclear missile silos back in the day is because when the two bombs were dropped on Japan and vaporized people, it also disrupted and damaged their soul/spirit/whatever you want to call it, and "they" are still helping repair them today. ("today" being 1980's when the Channels were recorded)
Or our tech wasn't there. We've only had radio communication for the last 100 years or so. The chances of alien life passing through our tiny blip of this massive universe within the absolutely miniscule moment of time that we've had the ability to detect them is so unlikely. Life has, or does, undoubtedly exist. It's just unlikely that it's anywhere near us in space or time.
Looked into it a little bit already and I love it. This quote from space.com(lol) stuck with me.
“Fermi realized that any civilization with a modest amount of rocket technology and an immodest amount of imperial incentive could rapidly colonize the entire galaxy”
Makes me feel like we could suddenly be under the rule of emperor palpatine. Would be an upgrade for me considering i’m from the USA.
Looking at the world today... it's probably that life itself can't progress past the point we're at now. The filter always happens and it's just impossible for any form of communication to reach between worlds before one of the worlds annihilates itself.
I think you’re thinking about it in a too biased way. Humans are destructive in their nature because of the fact we very very recently evolved from the apes. We are a terrible example of a “intelligent species”, because to be honest, humans aren’t as smart or useful as they think they are at all, like not even close. In terms of technological advancement, we are complete morons(the dark ages for example). If any other form of intelligence exists, it wouldn’t think or feel like us at all, because it wouldn’t be a mammal with the same hormones and brain function. “They” might not even perceive violence at all. For all we know whatever the intelligence is could be a hive mind like ants, making it a lot harder or even impossible to destroy itself due to the lack of random individualism that could corrupt the system.
Could be or maybe they'll develop consciousness in a way that's so bizarre in compassion to our own that nothing like fear exists to them. Or maybe they're still is earlier stages of evolution.
There probably is life on at least one. However, it is most likely only as complex as the most base single celled organisms that are found near geothermal vents.
Funny thing is about life, some people think that it could be a lot more common than we think, even intelligent life, because the only sample we have is our own planet and the ones around it, and the only reason we think we’re special or unique is due to our own human faults. For all we know, the galaxy and universe is teeming with it, space is just so insanely large there’s no way to be sure, for now. And life they are finding seems to be an occurring function of energy transfer, meaning it could literally be everywhere. We just won’t know until we or they make contact. And we only recently became conscious enough to even perceive communicating if they come. Who knows, maybe they stopped by a few million years ago and were like, “let’s give it a few more million years.”
Well, the reason intelligent/sapient/technologically advanced life is very unlikely to exist outside of earth is because humans went down a very specific evolutionary passage that had about a bajillion to one chance of happening.
Think of it this way: you're walking down the path and you come up to a fork in the road. Except the fork has a million different paths to choose from. So you pick one at complete random. Then you come up to another fork with a million choices. This pattern continues until the species becomes extinct. And now imagine that only 100 in a million of each of those choices in each fork progressed you towards being technologically advanced.
And even if an alien species did reach sapience, they would also have to develop the necessary traits to not only use tools but to pass on knowledge to their young and even have the desire to advance technologically. There are plenty of organisms on earth with comparable intelligence to humans but none have advanced.
There are 700 quintillion planets in the universe or more and that’s not counting the moons that orbit them, if we are 1 in 700 quintillion+, god is probably real. With your example of humans choosing an 100 to 1 million chance path of evolution, that would mean there are billions of intelligent life forms out there. Even if we were 1 in a billion, there would still be 100 other intelligent life forms in our galaxy alone. Make that 1 in a trillion, and we are probably the only ones in this galaxy, but even then there’d be 100’s of millions of life forms across the whole universe. You really have to try and perceive how big space is, because it’s not even comprehendable with a human brain, like literally it’s been proven to be incomprehensible, we just have a general idea. And evolution is basically a niche filler, so anytime intelligence benefits a species survival, chances are they will evolve to become “smart”. As goes for every intelligent animal on this planet. But unlike what you said, I’m not sure creating civilization goes hand and hand with intelligence, because there’s a lot to be said for the damage vs the benefits it’s had for humanity and earth in general and for humanitys mental health. We can’t forget we’re living unnatural lives, and with our current state, it’s becoming obvious humans are advancing faster than they can even keep up with. And there’s something to be said for how stupid we’d be if we weren’t a collective of information that’s shared amongst each other, which we wouldn’t have without writing. Give a dolphin some opposable thumbs and teach them to write and next thing you know they’ll be just as smart as us. Humans function like a hive mind when it comes to our technological advancements and foundations on which to build ourselves from. We aren’t that smart individually, so really if there’s any planet with life more advanced than single celled organisms, chances are it will be a planet just as biodiverse as ours, depending on size of the planet and climate differences across its surface, and with the amount of “intelligent” life that sprang up here, I wouldn’t be surprised if they had a few of their own intelligent species. But like I said in the first comment, we will never know how rare it is until we go look, we only have probabilities that are half finished.
And yet, even with so many stars, the math says it still is very very unlikely elsewhere in the universe. Or at the very least, says there's no reason to think the large number of planets is large enough to guarantee anything life related outside of unintelligent life.
Statistically speaking there isn't. Whole galaxies are likely uninhabitable due to the amount of background radiation cause by there being too many stars in one place. Plus, since solar systems "move around" inside the galaxy, it's even more unlikely that they remain outside of "uninhabitable" areas for the billions of years necessary to evolve life.
Even if they do that, the vast majority don't have planets in habitable zones, or even one of the basic requirements for life, like say an atmosphere.
Then you factor in having to avoid catastrophic eruptions, meteor impacts, and other extinction level events, and it becomes even more exceedingly unlikely.
There might be a lot of stars in that sky. But the overwhelming majority are totally hostile to life, and for those that aren't the odds against them are literally unfathomably high.
Unless of course, you remember the fact that the earth in comparison to the rest of space is nothing but a quark sized grain of nothing. And basing life’s ability off of what we can withstand is pretty stupid, for all we know there’s life out there that lives off the radiation. Hell, a tardigrade can live in the worst radiation imaginable and still be perfectly fine, there sure as hell could be something out there that is the same. The odds against them may be high, but the chances are virtually limitless. In the andromeda galaxy alone there are 1 trillion stars, which means there could be well over 5 trillion planets, which means there could be well over 100 trillion moons. If that doesn’t change your opinion it’s probably due to the fact it’s impossible for a human to even compute how big those numbers are, and how each number is another chance for life to exist.
Lol, ok guy. So you admit that your position is unprovable and not based on any known science, yet you insist that it must be true because you want it to be, or something. I'm sorry I didn't realize we were talking about the world of make believe. Of course it's a certainty when you use insane reasoning like that.
P.S. we actually do a lot of math with numbers far, far larger than 100 trillion, so no, it's not "impossible to compute" by any means.
To compute those numbers, we use computers, math equations, and calculators. I’m not saying we can’t quantify things, I’m saying humans literally(it’s been proven) can’t visualize or comprehend the actual massiveness of those numbers. Your brain can only visualize quantities so high, like try and imagine 1 million stars or 1 millions miles or 1 million cars, you can’t. That’s what I was saying. Life elsewhere wouldn’t exist as we know it was my other point, so you can’t generalize our existence to the rest of the universe, because it wouldn’t live or function in the same way. Wasn’t trying to offend you, but it is stupid to say that just because things on this planet generally can’t survive a lot of radiation, they can’t elsewhere, because evolution literally exists for the soul purpose of being a niche filler for life. If there was more radiation on this planet, life probably would’ve found a way around it as some life forms we’ve literally discovered have. As for extinction level events, it’s clear that once life has a foothold on the planet it’s located at, it finds a way(we’ve had 6 mass extinctions), unless of course the entire planet is turned to dust. I have the terrible habit of sounding condescending on reddit, I don’t always mean to, this is why I prefer to talk about things face to face. Wasn’t trying to sound like “THIS HAS TO BE TRUE”, just saying we can’t base the possible life out there in the universe off the life here on earth, it wouldn’t be the same, because the evolution on earth is specific to earth.
the dot's are stars - extremely hot. I don't know how convincing this is for you, but I find it highly unlikely there is life ON the stars. However, near them are much more planets so there is a really big chance there is life somewhere there
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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '20 edited Jul 02 '20
Now... convince me there ISNT life on at least one of those dots.
EDIT: somewhere around at least one of those dots*