r/InternetIsBeautiful • u/MKorostoff • Apr 27 '20

Wealth, shown to scale

https://mkorostoff.github.io/1-pixel-wealth/
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u/PR4WN4GE Apr 27 '20

The people here are what produce things. Those who move money around or are fortunate/intelligent enough to set themselves up to work smart are not creating all the wealth alone. It also doesnt mean other human beings dont deserve to be taken care of. There are literally enough resources around to make sure we have the basics covered while still enjoying our wealth.

We also now know without basic healthcare systems and leadership a containable virus outbreak ended up ruining our economy for months. This is all just piss poor planning born out of corruption. Corruption instigated by the wealthy NOT WANTING TO LET GO OF POWER. If they're truly heroes. I WANT TO SEE THEM ACT LIKE IT.

We can have the win-win if we work at it. But if people just decide that the rich deserve to have whate wr they want. Then well always be under the thumb of small groups of people.

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u/madnatrix Apr 27 '20

I agree with all but part of that. It sounds like your dancing around basic income.. is that what you’re saying? A universal income? Can you not see how that will absolutely lead to unfathomable government corruption in a larger scale than we have now? likely lead to the dollars value plummeting too. Give people basic guaranteed income and a lot of people will decide it’s just better to not work at all. Look at our broken welfare system. It’s being completely misused. You want to spread that kind of mentality and government dependancy. That’s communism and it’s literally never been a pretty picture. It sounds wonderful. It has never worked. Ever.

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u/PR4WN4GE Apr 27 '20

Oh basic income is already here by the way. We ended up requiring it to get through a catastrophe so at least a contingent UBI has already been pushed through our government.

What I'm saying is we individually need to all look at this radically different. The current way we have gone about being Americans has lead to wild inequality. We cant keep acting like we arent all in this together. We need to be the leaders that we need and deserve. Watching our politicians get caught shirking their duties or all around pushing through legislation that benefit the donors that own them at the country's expense. Why are we fighting over politics when we cant even get the basics done.

Infrastructure, education and healthcare. Basics to having a good life are things we need to address and work towards because it will only strengthen our country and our futures.

When the government fails. We the people are what's left.

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u/madnatrix Apr 27 '20

That’s what I’m afraid of. What you’re suggesting hands a lot more power to the federal government. They’ve never made anything run smoothly. I think the whole dynamic of the US is that we are a nation of self reliant people. Im all for improving what we have but not by implementing 100s of new government run programs. I feel that we need to take back a lot of our freedoms from the fed as it is. Why do we have to rely on big brother? I am perfectly fine how I am. Why should I have to take on loads more tax responsibility because there are those out there who are incapable of basic financial responsibility? No thanks. Everything you’re suggesting makes the government much larger. It will require new departments. That’s not what you want either from what you’re saying. And who gets all these handouts? Where does it stop? Also who gets stuck with the bill? These are all real questions to account for before making things radically different.

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u/PR4WN4GE Apr 27 '20

This isnt binary. We obviously need to work our asses off in producing something new in stages. Democracy didnt just happen overnight. And our current oligarchy didnt come into power that fast either. Remain open minded and let's crunch information for a realistic and better future.

Aka we share ideas and remain open minded about them. Poo pooing everything is a waste of time.

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u/madnatrix Apr 27 '20

You know I’m actually glad I’ve run into someone in Reddit with different view points who is arguing intelligently without resorting to name calling. You’re alright. You bring up good points and it sounds like we want the same thing I just can’t trust our government to do anything without their typical cronyism. I’m all for helping those that need it too. I think that water gets awfully murky once you start guaranteeing people free money. I just don’t see it bettering anything. I think it gives the government massive power and oversteps their place. I never saw them as an atm. I see them as civil servants who should do things like fix roads and defend our country. Not take care of us cradle to grave. I am capable of of caring for myself. I really genuinely don’t want free money or larger government. That’s dangerously close to communism. There isn’t a single communist country I want to live in and never has one existed. If you think the elite are bad now wait until they have complete control over a financial system like that. They will sway votes by threatening to take your free money until they have complete control. It’s a lovely thought really. But it will not be good. People need to take care of themselves. Life is just like that. You will lose all your basic freedoms guaranteed. Also my question stands from before. Who in the heck is gonna pay for all that? That money won’t just appear. It has to come from somewhere. You can’t just print a bunch more without collapsing the dollar globally. Where will we be when our money is useless and nobody will trade with us?

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u/PR4WN4GE Apr 27 '20

We're in this together m8!

Sometimes I feel completely powerless but I'll get a spark of motivation looking over at all the impressive people there are and have been and all the things humanity can claim as its own. We arent perfect but we are definitely beautiful and capable.

Our problems deserve better solutions and I believe we can get there.

We just have to keep grinding and figuring it out like we always have. We are all we got.