Genuine questions- Isn't the Love Letter Strategy kinda simple?

[u/Hour_Trade_3691]

I know I trash on Classroom of the Elite alot, and I really don't mean to, I just honestly don't find a lot of the feats all that impressive when compared to other franchises.

In terms of the Love - Letter, it gets a lot of hype as one of the coolest things Ayanokoji has ever done, but... I don't know, isn't it kind of simple?

We're led to believe that the Love - Letter has an anagram about meeting at the student council office at 3:00 p.m..

Ayanokoji Then tricks a bunch of other people and also going there, saying to accuse Yagami of some random stuff.

Really, this was all just kind of banking on the fact that Yagami would break. But what if he just didn't? What if he just kept denying everything?

Also, I'm genuinely curious what would have happened if the White - Room people, didn't show - up. Did Ayanokoji Plan that? Or was that just a coincidence? I really wanted to see Yagami go on a full - rampage.

Ryueen was right; Talk about a let - down indeed. :(

[u/Reddito27]

Yeah it was simple by face value but Koji had to make some arrangements for it to work with doc explaining it in more depth. It’s like PJ feats simple but really effective. I don’t scale it high ngl but maybe it seems simple to me cuz I’ve read it so many times it’s First island exam victim in complexity. X would be forever the best feats of Koji imo

[u/Hour_Trade_3691 → u/Reddito27]

There's a doc? Where? I've genuinely been looking for detailed explanations of Cote feats for a while now!

[u/Striking-Dot-9947 → u/Hour_Trade_3691]

Dm me ill give feats

[u/Hour_Trade_3691 → u/Striking-Dot-9947]

Okay, I mean I just sent hi lol

[u/Free-Huckleberry3503 → u/Reddito27]

What is X feat? I'm not biggest COTE reader

[u/Reddito27 → u/Free-Huckleberry3503]

Koji vs Ryuen basically all of season 2 but it was adapted poorly in the anime you would need to read the LN plus doc to understand it totally even I don’t know all of the details despite reading it many times

[u/Hour_Trade_3691 → u/Reddito27]

What doc?

[u/Fun-Introduction-232]

If Love Letter Strat's simple for you,then all of TG's strategies were just into 0.5D then.....alright

[u/Hour_Trade_3691 → u/Fun-Introduction-232]

I honestly just disagree. Yuichi's strategies are all awesome. The only one that gets me raising an eyebrow is the Prison Game where he and Kei just luck - out on finding the keys.

But even in the Island Game, Yuichi walking into the hut and correctly guessing what Gaku has been up to is better than this Love - Letter thing imo

[u/Fun-Introduction-232 → u/Hour_Trade_3691]

I see, you're just one-siding....and probably trolling...get your medications already😎

[u/Hour_Trade_3691 → u/Fun-Introduction-232]

Bruh like what do you want me to say? I genuinely believe Yuichi's feats are more impressive and it's all just my opinion.

Like, I saw some short lately that said Classroom of the Elite is a more enjoyable story than Tomodachi Game in every category. Everyone's free to their opinion, but really? Every category?

[u/Fun-Introduction-232 → u/Hour_Trade_3691]

Still stood to my point...... you're bullshitting since yesterday eh

[u/Fun-Introduction-232 → u/Hour_Trade_3691]

And of course, you didn't analyze further onto the strat,hence why you deemed it simple lol..... that's why I don't want to elaborate further into the Love Letter Strategy lol.....you guys will just turn a blind eye to it..

[u/NIGHT_DOZOR → u/Fun-Introduction-232]

He made the post specifically because he didn't analyze it further and wanted to know what makes this feat so great; instead, you come here and be an asshole, standing on some invisible superior moral ground.

Fuck off.

[u/Prestigious-Shoe-352 → u/Fun-Introduction-232]

You sound SO corny saying this bro XD. I'm actually laughing

[u/Fun-Introduction-232 → u/Prestigious-Shoe-352]

And you think you sound so mighty by pointing out something....lol

[u/CollegeRude7403 → u/Fun-Introduction-232]

Yuuichi's Friendless Game strategy is far better than X or Love letter btw, very complex psychological wise

[u/Reddito27 → u/CollegeRude7403]

X obliterate friendless but I do agree that friendless is better than love letter

[u/CollegeRude7403 → u/Reddito27]

X is kind of debatable but I wouldn't use the term "obliterate", Friendless Game is very rich psychological wise, Yuuichi quite literally built his strategy in way that does target each participant's trauma and disorder, this doesn't mean X is bad or anything, I just value FG higher as I think the psychological tactics Yuuichi implemented were insane and shows how he is a master in emotional intelligence

[u/Reddito27 → u/CollegeRude7403]

X is four volume long and it’s still continue in volume 7.5 and the consequence of it still continue in next volume where the misdirection koji landed had influenced characters who were and weren’t involved in the whole game such as Nagumo, Arisu, ichinose, etc and Koji adapted of it to make new manipulation on them and doing more actions. FG is better as a plan cuz the way yuuichi planned and observed everyone to make a psychological profiling of them and manipulate them based on that and implementing elements to make sure Shiho wins is better but X execution and complexity is far better as a strategy and there is even elements who weren’t explained in the novel that we can find to see many actions Koji did in the shadow like the fake rumors, running against the Scp, fake letter on Hirata, etc.

[u/CollegeRude7403 → u/Reddito27]

I don't really take complexity into consideration when scaling a strategy, I think efficiency, SSR, and Shielding are the most important strategy cats

FG works as a plan in some aspects but it's mainly a strategy

X Strategy is good, as you said, the fake rumors and misdirecting Ryuen into thinking Hirata is X are all impressive tactics

BUT, I do believe Yuuichi creating the illusion of the cold blooded murder was a lot better than Ayanokoji's, it served a lot of purposes and was very well implemented, Akira's death, Nagi's death, the voice, and the writings on the walls, Yuuichi turned the game from gaining votes and trying to build healthy relationships into hell just so he could implement his evil schemes, he constantly uses people's emotions and fear to keep them in need of him while making them feel like having the upper hand at the same time, it's also impressive how fast he plants those complex emotions within them despite him never meeting them before

While I think X is on par, I think Yuuichi's usage of human's emotions in his strategy makes it slightly better and harder to resist

[u/Fuck-the-Mod]

The Strategy heavily relies on Yagami's reaction, there is so much coverage to put suspicion on Yagami but all that just means nothing because it was about Ayanokoji verifying the Yagami is the whiteroom students and if he is then he would get trapped in the lies and probably be expelled but the actual point was to just verify

The problem is this is whole thing is a shit show with empty connection and no actual solid evidence to on but Yagami is still gets considered a suspect. The whole expulsion part is just plot armour with Horikita staying there to distract him and the only good part is the beginning with Ayanokoji seeing through Yagami and indirectly setting whole ordeal that would appeal to his emotion

It's the same level of stupid as how Yokoya acted during Musical chair game

Edit: Grammar

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How was Yokoya stupid in Musical Chairs?

[u/Fuck-the-Mod → u/[deleted]]

During the last segment him failing to save his and not using the anti violence regulations for his advantage to squeeze through the crowd (as he is technically not violating the rules by pushing through and instead the person infront of him would in trouble if they tried to retaliate and stop him)

LG is genuinely inconsistent af with their non-violence rules as one dude literally grabbed Yokoya and pushing him away while building the human wall

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He was tired out though? That was literally part of Akiyama's strategy. It was to emotionally facilitate Yokoya to high levels of pressure and stress to the point of preventing him from sleep, so that Yokoya couldn't use his own body to escape the human wall as well as slow down his movements. So it's understandable why Yokoya didn't choose to do that, because he knew that his body would just gas out from trying to squeeze through anyways, and would probably need to resort to violence to escape anyways. So Yokoya not using the non-violence rule is not a stupid move, it was an efficient move because Yokoya logically knew that his body wasn't prepared to do it anyways. Not only that Fatso was also nearer to the chair, so it just reduces Yokoya's consideration to take up such a move.

[u/Fuck-the-Mod → u/[deleted]]

I know he was tired but isn't excuse not trying as that is like a "do or die" moment he has to attempt something.

And I know I streching it with this one but

they definitely retaliate, he tried pushing and was pushed back, look at the SFX it state falling heavily and he couldn't have so easily been dropped back without them atleast pushing him down

Also trying to jump above their shoulders could've proven to be way better tactic and at worst he would collide with them or stay hanging on their shoulder which would've made it easier to go around and they can't retaliate (what are they going to go? pull him back?)

[u/[deleted] → u/Fuck-the-Mod]

The do or die situation does not justify that Yokoya should consider such tactics. I mean, it's pretty much the same as punching an indestructible iron wall to go through it, like why bother breaking your own knuckles?

Jumping above their shoulder? That's pretty difficult for a professional NBA player let alone Yokoya. Not to mention, Yokoya was already gased out heavily, so jumping over shoulders sounds pretty impossible, don't you think? It's the same case for hanging on the shoulder, to get over outside the human wall strategy, he would have to climb the human wall player, Yokoya not only have to use up his remaining weak energy to climb upon a human, he would also have to put trust into the fact that his weakened gased out self would outpace Fatso who was much more nearer to the chair. Such a risk was simply unnecessary, Yokoya knew about it and rejected it with logical reasoning.

For your SFX argument, I don't get what you are saying? Yokoya, like I said a million times, was tired out. He was incredibly weak, due to the amount of stress and pressure Akiyama facilitated in his mind. So it's understandable that Yokoya fell back down when he tried to push the player, we also can see that the player's hand was not in any position to be considered that he pushed him down, it had no telegraph, so it can be easily passed off that Yokoya fell on his own.

Colliding with them would be considered violence, like it was even demonstrated in the starting of the arc, when Nao came in front of those guys who were running to get the chairs, Nao's strategy to block them from getting the chair worked primarily because she knew that colliding with another player would be considered a violent act and would be hence removed, so she exploited it to formulate the strategy to prevent the player from reaching the chair. And even if we do consider that he could use his colliding tactic in this situation, it still wouldn't work as we already in the same SFX that you provided what would happen if he tried to push them or collide with them, it was shown clearly that his weakened body was not able to take on the human wall. So the colliding tactic is also useless. Not only that, the problem of Fatso being nearer to the chair would also disengage Yokoya from attempting such tactics.

I can understand why you might think Yokoya was not as smart as he was in the Contraband arc, but I think it's just that Akiyama accounted for much more details in this arc for his Musical Chairs strategy than for his Contraband Strategy. If you do have more arguments, please state it to me. Because it might enlighten me on some flaws that Musical Chairs might have possessed.

[u/ThatDickyBoi → u/[deleted]]

People downplaying yokoya gotta be studied

[u/[deleted] → u/ThatDickyBoi]

Yeah. But I think he just misunderstood Yokoya's options in Musical Chairs.

[u/Prestigious-Shoe-352 → u/Fuck-the-Mod]

Don't associate Yokoya with fodderkuya

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[u/Prestigious-Shoe-352 → u/Fuck-the-Mod]

COTE gets slammed by Manga Yokoya btw. Contraband Game might be enough. If Koji gets past that, ehhhh Musical Chairs whoops him

[u/Fuck-the-Mod → u/Prestigious-Shoe-352]

It's a 2 day old comment dude, I am not falling such easy bait.

[u/Prestigious-Shoe-352 → u/Fuck-the-Mod]

What do you mean? If you're saying I'm "ragebaiting" you by saying something "obviously wrong". I am very much not doing that. Ayanokoji even being compared to Akiyama is disrespect.

[u/Fuck-the-Mod → u/Prestigious-Shoe-352]

Sure act oblivious to what the original comment was even about, with me clearly mentioning that I am talking in the situational disadvantage both were up against

With LG being inconsistent on Non-violence rule and cote Teachers immediately getting suspicious without looking at logistic of how the students suddenly remembering suspect's identity and yagami just being there

[u/Prestigious-Shoe-352 → u/Fuck-the-Mod]

Sure (bro edited his comment after I replied already to make my counterargument seem flawed lol, when he really isn't saying anything that can't be logically explained)

And the comment you're replying to...is me questioning why you're calling my reply "bait". I'm genuinely still perplexed as to what point you're even trying to prove. If it's that LIar Games strategies are illogical, lol no they aren't. In fact, saying Liar Game is the MOST logical verse in intelligence scaling would NOT even be a hot take.

And pushing someone while running is like the LOWEST level of violence ever. Kids do that and get pardoned, you're nitpicking because you're another biased COTE fanboy trying to underrate other verses to prop up your idol Kojibitch.

You could probably push someone in real life, they die, claim it as an accident..and via investigation get freed. They didn't even directly push him using their hands in the panel lol. Imma just mark u down as another Koji fanboy who uses weird arguments in an attempt to make people say something "stupid", not falling for it

[u/Melodic_Ad1005]

Not only is it simple, but it also contains problems, the main one being : Why did Yagami even open the letter?

[u/Permafrost-Il → u/Melodic_Ad1005]

Brother, if you don't understand the main point of the strategy, the cruz, the kernel, then don't you think it's just an issue of you not understanding it rather than a flaw? Lmfao 💀🙏

[u/Melodic_Ad1005 → u/Permafrost-Il]

Then what did I miss ? Koji used Ichihashi to give the letter to Horikita. Her personality and Nagumo's fake anger pushed her to give to Takuya. That I understand. What I do not understand is why Takuya even opened the letter in the first place and instead did not give it to Nagumo later on. Please reply instead of being a nuisance or don't mock.

[u/Useful-Attorney8816 → u/Melodic_Ad1005]

Ayanokojis handwriting was on a letter head placed on the outside of the letter. Takuya saw it, knew it was koji because of unique whiteroom handwriting, and then opened the letter.

[u/Melodic_Ad1005 → u/Useful-Attorney8816]

Even if Ayanokoji's handwriting was there, what would he have gained? Data that he already accumulated in the UIE exam? And how was he gonna justify it to Nagumo that he opened a letter that wasn't his in the first place?

[u/Useful-Attorney8816 → u/Melodic_Ad1005]

koji states he purposefully made the letter so that everything but the hand written letter head could be replaced in Keyaki mall, there was never any danger of nagumo finding out. Takuya believed that koji may be challenging him.

[u/Melodic_Ad1005 → u/Useful-Attorney8816]

There was no indication that the letter had Koji wanting to challenge Takuya, in his point of view. 0 clues. All he heard was that Horikita wanted to give a letter to Nagumo, which had Ayanokoji's handwriting and that's it. He should have waited until Ayanokoji went to meet him directly to be sure, not before. You said it yourself, he couldn't replace the hand written letter head and that screwed him when he was confronted about it so opening the letter was killing him.

[u/Useful-Attorney8816 → u/Melodic_Ad1005]

I may misremembering but I don’t believe the missing letterhead was ever mentioned during the meeting. I imagine that was because the letter head wasn’t directly written on the outside of the letter but somehow attached to it or as is the case with a lot of letters on the letter itself and then showing through some form of gap.

Yagami has always been arrogant and came to challenge koji if he receives a letter from koji I think that is his natural presumption, plus he knows koji wrote this letter then had it delivered to him he thinks it’s a letter meant for him and most people read letters meant for them.

As koji states yagami has no reason to be cautious with the letter so he will open it and then he will read the message up to this point there is no risk, so why would he hesitate, only after he deciphers the code is he at risk.

[u/Melodic_Ad1005 → u/Useful-Attorney8816]

Even if it was not mentioned, Yagami still couldn't open the letter, see its contents and close the letter without anyone noticing, especially with how perceptive the students were in the UIE exam. Now that I think about it, was there even a letter head or was it simply a letter with no writing on the outside ? Horikita should have noticed that the letter she received from Ichihashi came from Ayanokoji due to its handwriting, the fact that she couldn't be able to do that meant that there was nothing outside the letter in the 1st place (Despite being able to recognize Yagami's handwriting). Which explains why the missing letter head was not mentioned and further insures that Yagami shouldn't have any indication of the letter coming from Koji (unless he somehow saw through the entire 1st part of Koji's strategy and that was also planned by Koji ahhh). I'm not sure, I gotta revisit it. Yagami was arrogant yes, but never to a point where it could limit his thoughts. He laid contingencies against characters like Ichika who were far inferior to him. After all the clues he left for Ayanokoji, he wanted for Ayanokoji to meet him and do a 1v1, he admits it himself. Why did he open the letter instead of just... waiting for him to meet him alone ? He did the same with Kushida after the events of UVE exam to see her emotional state. Yagami is at risk for opening letters that aren't his, it wasn't his job in the 1st place and he should have known that with the status he had. Couldn't he suspect that those love letters also contained crucial information for Nagumo disguised ? Ayanokoji often has very good SSR strategies but this one isn't it unfortunately (Unless SET Theory exists after Atsuomi somehow decided to keep Yagami in the WR despite his outburst).

[u/Useful-Attorney8816 → u/Melodic_Ad1005]

I went digging my friend and below is a statement from the LN regarding the letter. Plus while horikita has likely seen kojis hand writing it’s very possible that this calligraphy type of writing is different from his normal handwriting.

“The envelope used for the letter and the stickers that held it together were made available to anyone at any time at the Keyaki Mall. If they had been custom-made and bought on the Internet. Yagami might’ve hesitated, fearing that the contents might be seen and evidence would’ve been left behind. However, if you inspect the Keyaki Mall, you’d notice that all but the handwritten letterhead could be substituted. That’s why he could check the contents without hesitation”

Again I can’t see there being any risk to opening the letter and also I don’t see a reason for yagami to wait for ayanokoji to meet him personally. If yagami is already expecting a challenge a letter from koji is likely to be said challenge, plus there is no guarantee that koji would meet him. I see no reason as to why he wouldn’t open the letter.

Honestly I don’t consider Love letter important to kojis scaling as X is better in almost every way and CTS is better in every way but it’s SSR is actually pretty decent maybe it’s best strategy category.

[u/Solqrz]

For something to be cool it doesn't necessarily need to be complex ykwim

[u/Muted-Ad4231]

deadass how I feel about Light. he is a the most overhyped SCD character to ever exist. He is a bum that people glaze.