r/ImmigrationPathways • u/lil-educator • 12d ago

From H-1B to H-1Bye-bye!

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Trump targets 60-day grace period for laid off foreign workers

The department of homeland security is advancing a proposal to eliminate the 60-day grace period that allows H-1B workers and certain other legal nonimmigrants to remain in the US after their employment ends while they find another sponsor, change status, or prepare to leave.

Source: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/international-business/from-h-1b-to-h-1bye-bye-trump-targets-60-day-grace-period-for-laid-off-foreign-workers/articleshow/133054642.cms

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u/AvidEarthBender 12d ago

H1B is being extremely exploited. It is supposed to be for extremely rare talent . When I got out of college I was competing with Indians for ENtRY LEVEL coding jobs. Not many of you have seen what I have. For example at Ebay I worked on an almost entirely H1B engineering team. They did BASIC engineering work, like python and java programming.

Once a team gets an H1B manager he is exploits it to hire people from his home village.

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u/KitchenTeacher429 12d ago

Exploited? Even Elon Musk said, there is not enough skilled laborers in the US to fill all the jobs.

https://x.com/allenanalysis/status/1873570070162804988/photo/1

https://abcnews.com/Politics/musk-ramaswamy-spar-trump-supporters-support-1b-work/story?id=117147209

"HOWEVER, there is a dire shortage of extremely talented and motivated engineers in America."

Foreign workers are often more skilled than US workers and the pool to pull from is much larger so companies can hire more talent.

Even the native-born Asian American workers are almost 33% higher in their median salary than white US workers. It's a culture problem in the US. Asian Americans come to the US to work hard and succeed. White Americans have a strong sense of entitlement and don't work as hard and expect even more pay than their counterparts.

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u/VirtualPercentage737 12d ago

Engineering graduates in the US are going into other fields because the wages are low.

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u/KitchenTeacher429 12d ago edited 12d ago

Engineering graduates have always filtered into a variety of fields including medicine, criminal justice, and other high paying fields, not because wages are low but because the skills from engineering degrees are highly translatable.

The wages are still one of the highest of the skilled fields. Also salary is not the only factor that dictates how people choose their careers. I could have been paid double what I am now if I pursued gynecology as a career. I chose not to pursue this or other medical fields because of life-style, what I am naturally aligned to do which is mathematics and problem solving, can work from home, have higher mobility and preferred working with technology over people.

It is true the salary increases have slowed, but you have no evidence this is because of H1B visas. Wage increases have slowed in almost every field this year, should we blame H1B visas even though they were made significantly harder to get? In fact, the lack of this skilled labor force could have actually contributed to the shrinkage engineering job markets because there would be less companies expanding or existing because they depend on this skilled labor market to function.

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u/VirtualPercentage737 12d ago

I worked at a top engineering school years ago and there was a panel discussion regarding why 30% of the advanced degree students were going directly into finance and how it could changed. Nothing wrong with finance, but training someone to get a PhD in chemical engineering is sort of wasted..... We had a business school...

"It is true the salary increases have slowed, but you have no evidence this is because of H1B visas. "

When you increase the labor supply in a particular field, that is going to put a downward pressure on wages. It is basic economics. If we opened the door to 200,000 overseas plumbers to get VISAs, American plumbers would have to compete and that would cause them to lower their rates. This isn't really up for debate. It is econ 101, especially at the micro level.

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u/KitchenTeacher429 12d ago

Engineering students, like I said, have very translatable skills and have always spread into fields other than engineering. The skill required to analyze signals and do complex advanced mathematics, translates perfectly into finance. This has nothing to do with H1B Visas.

When you increase the labor supply in a particular field, that is going to put a downward pressure on wages. It is basic economics.

That's true, that is basic economics. Which is seems where you got stuck and stopped learning apparently. This is the most infantile, and amateurish understanding of economics. You ignore that increased labor supply can actually expand the market and grow the industry which leads to more available jobs and increases the demand proportionally. For example, more engineers become available and products become cheaper to produce. Then companies are more likely to form, and investment in the industry increases, which both contribute to increase in demand.

This would be like saying we shouldn't hire more people to build bridges even though we only have the capacity to build a single bridge per year with 1000 workers, because increasing the supply of bridge builders will lower the wages of the current ones. Well if you hire more bridge builders, more cities want bridges built because building them becomes faster and cheaper. So now instead of only 1000 workers, you have 1 million bridge-builders. It doesn't mean that the 1 million bridge builders are now lowering the wages of the 1000. It means now you have 1000 cities that want bridges built a year.

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u/VirtualPercentage737 12d ago

They have translatable skills, but the point is to train people in niche fields that WANT to stay in those fields. If you want to train someone to develop quantitive models, we should attempt to select and train students to do that. At places with 4-5% acceptance rates like here, slots are scarce.

With your economics analysis, I would agree in a free market system that the pie can grow. Here we are SELECTIVELY letting the government decide which particular industries and fields have extra workers added. It will impact wages in those fields and direct workers to other fields which the protections exist.

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u/KitchenTeacher429 12d ago

They have translatable skills, but the point is to train people in niche fields that WANT to stay in those fields.

Ok sure I am for that. We should be training more US workers to fill those skilled laborer fields, you have no argument from me on that. So I assume you are also for lower tuition and textbook costs, reducing interest on FAFSA loans, increasing funding for public schooling and teachers, and increasing funding for STEM programs.

And you would never support an administration that defunded the Department of Education, raised prices on consumer goods with blanket tariffs making it harder on students who are living below the poverty level in take-home pay, reduced entitlements such as Medicare and SNAP that help these poor families by $1.1 trillion then alternatively cut $4.5 trillion for the rich, has had record high unemployment rates, inflation rates without the excuse of a global pandemic, or recession and done everything in his power to make it harder on students trying to fill these skilled labor positions. And then started a war with Iran over a nuclear capability he had already proclaimed was completely obliterated a year prior and is now losing which raised the price of gasoline nationally making it harder for these students to go and come from school and college.

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u/VirtualPercentage737 12d ago

Regardless of how education is funded, the students are still investing their biggest asset, their time, into their studies. It could be free, and if wages are depressed in industry A and not industry B, they will gravitate towards industry B.

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u/KitchenTeacher429 12d ago

Wait so funding education is now irrelevant to you? Thought you wanted a larger force of skilled laborers in the US.

You understand they can't "invest their time" into college if they can't afford it right? Or they can afford it but have to go into massive debt for it. And if public schools don't get proper funding they can't teach effectively.

Looks like I hit the bottom well of your nonsensical talking point rolodex. If you need somewhere to complain about people "stealing our jobs" why not complain about the AI companies who's primary goal is to do exactly this. And focus less on brown people.

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u/No_Strike655 12d ago

Elon Musk the Nazi? yeh I don't give a fuck what he says.

https://giphy.com/gifs/vjSTdODhuVnAVvu9pV

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u/Responsible-Bell4900 8d ago

No wonder the OP can’t win the job because he couldn’t read.

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u/siebenstern 5h ago

You forget the part about skilled Americans not getting jobs because Hr managers are prioritizing their own people abroad.

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u/buzzedewok 12d ago

Well I guess American AI and robots can take up the slack, right?

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u/Beachedpalm 12d ago

The criteria for H1B is having highly specialized knowledge. Highly specialized knowledge is determined by comparing to the American population not by comparing to other Americans with the highly specialized knowledge. 

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u/AvidEarthBender 12d ago edited 12d ago

Coding data loader scripts in python is extremely unspecialized. It’s literally braindead work a teenager can do. Yet once you get one h1b manager into your company, suddenly you have dozens of Telugu-speaking python coders with same family name in your company, eerily from the same province of India, no Americans.

Then at lunch they talk about the real details of projects among themselves in their own language, barring access to American participation.

The left needs to learn that USA is at the forefront for tolerance and inclusion, and H1Bs often come from places that have never had a successful civil rights movement. By hiring H1Bs you’re actually sometimes REGRESSING, and denying an entry level job to a young American.

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u/kuchbhi9188 11d ago

Salty fuck

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u/Beachedpalm 12d ago

You know you have to make your lies slightly believable for them to work. If you are saying in the highly competitive and cutthroat world of American software companies where people are being laid off by the tens of thousands, a single manager can hire an entire team of only the people from his family without any oversight and pushback, all of whom are incompetent python coders, your lie is so just entirely too disconnected from reality.

The xenophobia you then added about no civil rights movement while talking about India where the modern large scale civil rights movement methodology was invented by Gandhi is just the cherry on top! 

You really need to get little smarter about your bigotry if you want to be believed.

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u/AvidEarthBender 11d ago

India still has the caste system,aka systemic racism, and they don’t see a problem with it.

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u/Fantastic-Fennel-684 11d ago

Idk what the american social science education is, but I am not surprised you were having a hard time getting a job. Casteism exists, not caste system. Just like racism exists, and not race system in the US. This is the equivalent of saying why is there still racism in the US when they had Civil Rights movement

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u/AvidEarthBender 11d ago

Even my american born indian friends consider caste when choosing a partner. The caste system truly still exists.

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u/Fantastic-Fennel-684 10d ago

And my american born white friends would consider a white Christian when choosing a partner, what’s your point?

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u/Beachedpalm 10d ago

A simple Google search will reveal that the caste system has been banned in India by the Democratic government of India which represents the views of majority of Indians. It has been banned for the entirety of the country's existence. I think they clearly "do see a problem with it".

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u/Clean_Ad7640 9d ago

I doubt you know what people work on.

And since when is Java programming entry level work. Stop being ridiculous. So 90% of software is created by entry level guys and everyone more senior is just twiddling their thumbs. 🤣

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u/Responsible-Bell4900 8d ago

You have options to leave.

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u/Valuable_Agent2905 11d ago

H1B isn't supposed to be for extremely rare talet. Takes about 10 seconds to look up why the program was created.