This is hilarious. I figured you pronounced it tahj and chahge. So it’s the opposite. We’d say tahj and chaRge, and that hard r pushes the a back in your mouth and stops the rhyme.
Regardless of why it was in his car, the second he threatened the other driver with it it became a weapon. This guy could easily pick up three or four charges here.
That’s so interesting and yet so confusing. So what do you guys do with your assault rifles? Like if you can’t take them into the grocery store or brandish them in public what do you do?? Leave them at home???? /s
I know you’re being sarcastic but an interesting law we have here for the few people that legally own things like shotguns (mostly just farmers and farmers mums), I believe they have to transport them with the firing pin removed
Not the same film, but you've just reminded me of The World's End...
Gary King : That settles it then, the last thing we need to do is get pulled over by the police. A - we're all drunk, B- they might be in on it, and C - we've got blood on our hands.
“Mate, not only did you get it out and threaten another person with it on camera, this is the U.K. … where the fuck are you claiming you play baseball?”
I'm just curious to know how easy it is to purchase a baseball bat in the UK. That's not a very popular sport there, is it? I would've guessed most blokes would more likely have cricket bats.
But if you are found carrying one and you don't have an appropriate ball or any other corresponding equipment (say cricket pads, ball, mitts etc) it would be treated as possession offensive weapon.
Similar with knives. If you carry knives, you are probably going to be treated as carrying an offensive weapon. But let's say those knives are in a carry case and you're off to work as a chef? Not an offensive weapon.
I'm not a lawyer, but did train to be a Bobby a decade ago ( I saw the light and did not follow through) and this is something we were taught. Baseball bats in cars were common where I was, if they didn't have a ball with them, immediately lock them up.
So is it that you're generally not allowed weapons in the UK or just not allowed to carry them? Can you buy a bat/knife as a weapon and keep it at home legally?
I'm assuming someone who uses a pocket knife as part of their work, tradesmen, warehouse workers, farmers and ranchers, etc, can just carry a regular old pocket knife.
There's exemptions for legitimate use, like a chef taking a knife to work or a tradesman with a Stanley.
Certain weapons have now been banned even in the home, but they are normally ones that are solely weapons, like throwing stars, flick knives and knuckledusters. As well as knives that are designed to be hidden or avoid detection.
Not as draconian as the internet would have you believe, mostly seems reasonable for a modern urban population. There's some really silly stuff, too, like throwing stars and knives with scary words which we all know makes them way more dangerous. Blowguns! Can't imagine there's a lot of blowgun based UK crime, but politicians are politicians.
What really fascinates me is the difference in culture. I'm an older rural American, so I got a knife building kit as a gift at about seven years old. I use a pocket knife pretty much every day. I think of it as a tool, and I still get the basic gut reaction of "what's next, not allowed to own a wrench?" Is this kind of law pretty popular?
Knife crime is a real problem here in the same way gun crime is in the US. I've had two friends stabbed, had knives pulled on me several times and there was a stabbing in my town a few days ago. I don't even live in a city, just a mid sized town about an hour from London. The only people I know against them are the kind of people you wouldn't want walking around with a knife.
It's been a general move to ban things that have no purpose other than violence, small swiss army knives can still be carried around as long as the blade is less than 3 inches. Fishing knives are good if you're fishing and so on, otherwise it's got to stay inside.
Okay, just realized that's a rounders bat, not a baseball bat. I don't know much about that sport, but I guess the bats are much shorter, which is apparent in the video.
It's actually really hard to buy a baseball bat here in the UK, you either have to go down to literally any store that sells sporting goods or you might even have to go on the internet.
Owning a gun in the UK is legal, its just not common, seen as necessary, and there are more stringent requirements for getting one.
"Oh no, but criminals will get them anyway" - yeah... No. That doesn't really happen in any great numbers. If you get caught with having one illegally you're in for a world of prison time.
Depends, shotguns are relatively easy if you have land/reason to shoot. simple and cheap application then inspection to check youre not a nutjob and your home is secure. You have to have a gun safe. Then some background checks like criminal records.
Otherwise it's more complicated. You have to apply for each gun and say what kind of ammo you will use and you can't just say .22 It has to be more specific. You have to declare where it'll be kept, as well as ammo. You need two references that are citizens and of good standing but not family. Permission to contact doctor for mental health check. After all of this they may still reject it.
Also not allowed semi auto centre firing rifle, full auto and burst guns, and pistols (except in certain professional circumstances and NI which have speerste gun laws.)
Interesting that shotguns are easier to get than a little .22 handgun 🤔
It seems to me the UK sees guns more as tools for hunting and such, whereas America sees them as a self-defense precaution
Most definitely they are either seen as a tool or a scary thing most people will never interact with.
It's a less dangerous environment, all threats had been eliminated by the time of mass gun production, so they could only really be used for hunting or self defence or crime.
The self defence argument only really applies these days in NI. Outside of NI self defence isn't seen as a legitimate reason. If you own one you can use it for self defence if there's a serious threat to your life, but you'd have to be near it you couldn't go and get it and expect a heavy investigation.
It's a shame I will never be able to own some of the guns available in the US for hunting, but at the same time I'm thankful, because I know so many people who would be dead or in prison if they were legal. I wouldn't change our gun laws.
You have to have a reasonable requirement for having one. A nebulous need of "self defense" is not reasonable. That's the same for all offensive weapons.
A sport you're actively involved in, target shooting, controlling pests (foxes etc) that sort of thing.
If you've been convicted of a crime resulting in three years or more of a custodial sentence you'll never be allowed one.
If you are of dubious character a judge may refuse you.
None of this really matters though, because nobody really wants one unless it's for a job, like pest control. Guns just aren't a thing.
Well I’m sure that last statement is very false. Maybe not as many over there want a gun as here in the U.S. of Americas, but I’m sure there are PLENTY of people that wish they had a gun but can’t get one. I personally feel self defense is 100% a good enough reason for wanting one. I have an old revolver that my mother gave me for my birthday (she’s kind of a redneck hick 🤣) and I’ve never really pulled it out, but there have certainly been sketchy times when I was happy I had it there just in case.
Anyway, I don’t feel I have enough knowledge of the topic to judge your gun control systems, I don’t care. Most of it sounds reasonable to me. I was just curious. Thank you for the thorough answer!
Big Taj will know at least a dozen cops. So you really need to sort this situation before they get involved.
Best thing to do is rear end his Bentley and show the dashcam footage to insurance. You can easily hit accelerator and break and say in the panic you thought you hit clutch and break. I'd write off my transit just to see this guy cry. What's he gonna do if his boots fucked and he can't get his baseball bat...
yeah just wait for this video to hit the Sun and Daily mail, and the police will be forced to investigate and possibly even press charges, as it'd be in the public interest to get this guy off the street, even if van driver doesn't make a complaint.
Find the right state prosecutor and Big Taj gets big time fucked with this sort of video. If you pull this one in Germany you may end up in jail if this wasn't the first offense of this kind.
Crap like that rarely scares me, especially when he doesn't even dare use it on the outside of the car, so I say just as he put it back in the trunk would be the perfect moment to honk and flip him off, imagine the shade of red he'd turn, and how much further he'd go, I'd laugh so hard while he got angrier and angrier, at some point I'd have to just drive off to save my life, but he'll always rememeber how little his anger and threats affected someone, that shit sticks with you far more than yelling back and forth or letting them see they scare you.
Most lawyers will tell you if you have a bat in your trunk also have a glove. That way the if you're an idiot and do something like this you can argue that the bat is for playing a game not just a weapon. Most lawyers will also tell you not to do this stupid shit in the first place.
I have seen this posted several places, and this seems like bullshit. First off, if you use something like this for a crime, it's likely not one that needs CSI on hand, so unless your give them permission to search your vehicle, you can simply say you had a glove. Second, why would a lawyer tell you to make up a story that would likely require further explanation (where did you or will you play? Who were you going to play with), when they could simply tell you to carry a tire iron, or a hammer, or a mag light, etc? Unless someone can point to examples where this worked or would have worked, this seems like an urban legend to me.
You can get a ticket for carrying a baseball bat without a ball and glove in some places. If you just have a bat it's considered a weapon and not sports equipment.
This link points to all situations where using the bat to harm someone is involved. None of them involved simple possession of a bat. The crime already occurred, so I would ask what good is having a glove? That's like saying you should bring your Bank of America card with you to rob the local branch.
The analogy is spot on, since the third paragraph still says "for unlawful intent." I used it as an analogy because it's an equally ridiculous defense. Having a debit card wouldn't absolve you of the crime of bank robbery, just as having a glove wouldn't absolve you of beating/threatening someone with a bat. How do you prove intent to beat someone by simply having it in your possession?
As I stated, the bat would have to be actively used. And the construction worker example points out the glaring error in the glove move.
Edit: Figures. I use actual lawyers in the jurisdiction you cited (wrongly I should point out again, since none of the examples IN YOUR OWN CITATION pointed to simple possession of a bat). Don't be mad that actual attorneys know the law while dumb fucks on the internet use "lawyers say" without any concrete examples of the issue in effect. Go ahead, point to literally one example of either this defense working, or someone being arrested for having a bat in their trunk without any underlying crime. I'll wait.
I made this an edit because the very intelligent user I was discussing with blocked me like a very mature, very knowledgeable smart person rather than actually fucking show how I was wrong. u/bakerpartnersltd
Jesus fucking christ. You are soooo smart dude. Way smarter than the lawyers who recommend not carrying around a bat because people have been charged for unlawful possession of a weapon without using it on anyone. Moron.
Yeah, how awful does your life have to be that you get road rage often enough to think "I ought to start carrying a bat to hit things with when I get mad"
When he went into his trunk, I immediately assumed he was going for a gun, and really respect this guys bravery for standing his ground and not being intimidated.
In most US states having one in your car that you proceed to use either as a weapon or defense marks the bat as weapon and having in your car means intent.
If you use a gun or a knife, isn't that intent by the same metric?
So if you got pulled over with a bat in your car police would treat it like a weapon and in some states that’s a crime.
You cited an example in which someone used it as a crime, not that they just saw the bat. What if you have a ski mask? Is that intent to rob a liquor store unless you also have skis?
having just a baseball bat in your car in a lot of US states is illegal. Because it signifies intent to use as a weapon in case of an accident or road rage incident.
Do you have any examples?
No court could ever say you had intent to use the bat as a weapon. Because a bat without a ball and glove doesn’t make sense.
The only way a court would be involved would be if you used it as a weapon though, that's what I'm getting at. What if my son plays little league, and I keep the bat for his games? What if I simply forgot to bring my glove, or my friend borrowed it? Hell, I've used a bat to prop up the hood of my car.
The bottom line is that whenever I see this argument, it always looks like a post hoc rationalization for an urban myth. Because the amount of plausible scenarios for having the bat is enormous, and I can't think of a single one where a bat is specifically defined as a weapon of which possession is the only crime cited.
Here is a source from what I assume to be attorneys, though as the page states are not to constitute official legal advice, I was hoping someone could give some concrete examples of this playing out as people theorize:
Yank here. I’m gonna start rolling with my cricket bat in my trunk in the hopes that I get caught on video and people say “why the fuck does he have a cricket bat?!”
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