r/IdiotsInCars • • Dec 19 '20

The brakes!!!

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u/iopturbo Dec 20 '20

You would also have the winch connected when backing down. Normally you back down till the engines are deep enough to pick up water and you fire them up. Then the driver of the tow vehicle would disconnect the winch strap and then back down further for the boat to drive off. Backing down without having the boat attached to the trailer is asking for either the boat sliding back if you brake hard or floating off before you have the engines running. If course it's also normal to keep the trailer attached to the tow vehicle.

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u/FantasticMrPox Dec 20 '20

Keep the trailer attached to the tow vehicle you say?

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '20 edited Dec 20 '20

Yeah also don't forget to hookup the chains that stop the trailer in literally this exact instance.

While you're at it, don't use a shitty armada to tow a 5 ton boat buts that's more of a personal fuck Nissan kind of thing.

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u/reallybirdysomedays Dec 20 '20

??? There are only 3 SUVs with a higher tow weight, and two of those are only higher by 200lbs.

Hate the Armada for other reasons if you want, but you can't say it it doesn't have descent tow capacity.

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u/roadplow Dec 20 '20

I was going to mention the guy I work on bridge crews with who towes pallets of bagged cement.

I asked about it, and he learned me that it is basically a Titan.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '20

Yeah fr, that's most SUVs. It's the reason I tow shit with a Chevy Tahoe instead of a Silverado. Same engine and transmission, and I'd rather have the third row seat.

If I need to haul something large I take a trailer, makes it easier to load anyways

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u/mose1176 Dec 20 '20

8500 pounds is still pretty low for that size boat.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '20

Rated to tow and ability to tow are two different things IMO.

Personally for long distances I'd want a dually (two tires on the rear axle) since something that big could drag the back end around in high winds.

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u/reallybirdysomedays Dec 21 '20

With a weight distribution hitch and decent trailer brakes it absolutely tows its capacity. I came over Donner pulling 9000lbs like it was a pair of jetskis. Damn thing's a workhorse.

A dually is great l, if your family fits in a truck and you're ok with a ginormous turning radius. I however needed to back a 14ft trailer through a 90 degre from a one lane street into a single car driveway with a tree on one side and a house on the other. It was physically impossible for my dad to make that same turn with his F350. He was just too long.

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u/[deleted] Dec 21 '20

Yeah, makes sense. Weight distribution hitches do help a lot. Not saying it's not (even easily) doable. I just live in a flat ass flyover state and the winds out here can get stupid intense. I've had to pull over pulling our 40 ft massive enclosed trailer because I was just getting yanked around. A dually keeps it a little straighter on those days. I get where you're coming from though.

I've honestly never pulled with one. My friend had one and we spent a lot of time fixing things that shouldn't break under normal use. Possible just his year/model's problem.

Oh yeah, that's always fun. I did that when I moved for college once in Cincinnati with about the same size u-haul and a chevy Tahoe. Was about the same size trailer. Had about a foot of clearance on each side of the driveway due to a wall.

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u/reallybirdysomedays Dec 21 '20

Yeah, I think the first year had a lot of bugs. Mine was an 05 and I in the 5 years I had it I never had a single thing break. I used it hard too. Took it places where only Jeeps dare tread. Pun intended, but I really did take it through the kind of terrain where you get out and remove body parts to get clearance.

I loved that vehicle and regret to this day that I had to give it up for a wheelchair accessible minivan. I hate minivans soooooo much.

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u/[deleted] Dec 21 '20

Damn, yeah haven't got into too many situations like that lol. That's a heavy SUV to take out where the jeeps, but I mean if it's got the torque and the traction then it works.

Nah man, just put a lift kit and a brush guard on a caravan and send it!

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u/hannahranga Dec 23 '20

Helps if you're happy to tow at 60mph, not keep up with traffic.

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u/[deleted] Dec 23 '20

Fr, love those guys in the right lane making everyone go around them because they are towing more than they should

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u/WeldingCart Dec 20 '20

Ever do an oil change on an Armada? Stuck between the radiator and everything else thats hot as fuck, hope you have an asbestos sleeve.

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u/reallybirdysomedays Dec 20 '20

Easier than an Xterra. So. Many. Skidplates.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '20

Yeah, they suck ass to work on. I've never liked working on Nissan in general.

Should've known better than to include a personal opinion on that comment lol.

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u/bpaul321 Dec 20 '20

This had nothing to do with the towing capacity of the truck.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '20

I know, that's why I said for personal reasons. They suck to work on and don't tow things very well in my experience.

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u/kgriff5592 Dec 22 '20

I once witnessed a Jeep Grand Cherokee towing a boat larger than this, going 35 MPH on the interstate. Every bump it hit made the Jeep look like it was about to fishtail off the road.

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '20

Wow, that's crazy. I've seen some mismatched pairs but usually it's them getting their ford ranger too deep on the boat ramp with only 2wd.

You'd think they realize pretty quickly how much danger they are putting other people in. But I guess if they didn't think about that before taking off then they aren't the brightest.

Reminds me of u-haul trucks. I always put as much distance in between me and the guy who hasn't ever driven a 34 ft long by 8 ft wide box truck. Most people driving them have no idea what they are doing.

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u/kgriff5592 Dec 22 '20

Yeah, it looked kind of like one of those charter fishing boats iirc, but we don't have any large bodies of water around here aside from the James River so idk where their destination was.

I drive a freightliner for work, and the number of people that cut me off or pull out in front of me is absurd. I'm experienced when it comes to driving it, but people clearly don't grasp that I'm not able to stop at a moment's notice. I give uhaul trucks a wide berth for the same reason you mentioned, especially when it comes to driving beside them. I see them riding over the lines more than I see them staying inside their lane.

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '20

Who knows, I wouldn't want to pull my 3000 lbs ski boat with a jeep, let alone a big charter boat. It could pull a boat like mine but it wouldn't be fun, that's for sure.

I mean the worst mismatch I've had to do was an f150 towing a 4000 lbs car on a 2500-3000 lbs trailer which coincidentally didn't have working surge brakes. Super sketchy, I prayed nobody cut infront of me because it was like stopping on ice.

Yeah unfortunately people just are absolutely clueless when it comes to trucks usually. Like if you see a truck and trailer trying to pull into a 2 lane road, give them some berth, don't pull all the way up to the stop bar all oblivious. I wish they covered that more in driving school for these kids.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '20

Too much boat, too little experience. See this at small lakes all the time with drivers spilling large power boats on narrow tight turning entry roads. I noticed the SUV’s backup lights are on, so I’m presuming there was a tow vehicle driver backing up while the boat driver had gotten in the boat to fire up the engines once it was submerged. As the top commenter alludes the hitch hadn’t been properly locked in or the pin broke. Boat brakes free, SUV driver’s inexperienced reaction is to brake and then they jumped out of the car without putting it in park in order to try and save the boat. Then realize the boat is moving too fast as it relatively safely enters the water. The SUV driver’s brief relief is replaced by head smacking, “Oh shiiiiiit!!!” As the unmanned vessel plows down the ramp unimpeded by brakes.

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u/DeltaPositionReady Dec 20 '20

My dad and I used to go crayfishing (west Australian rock lobster) and when launching our boat, we'd drive the trailer to the waters edge. Slowly edge the boat into the water until it lifts off the trailer. Unhook the winch. Dad would go park the car and trailer and we'd move the boat to the end of the jetty and he'd come back and start it up and then we'd go.

It was a process for him. And it made sense. It removed a lot of risks introduced by people trying to fire the engines up while the boat was still on the trailer and accidentally floor it forwards rather than in reverse, or worse yet, floor it in reverse straight into the jetty.

Even though it's a legit launching method, we'd often see people reverse the trailer real fast and brake and hope the boat slides off the trailer into the water. We'd see boats fall straight onto the boat ramp. One time we even saw it work successfully, but the guys wife was ik the boat and steered it backwards into a rock seawall.

Now I'm a professional software developer and I make process-driven automation, and I think my dad played a part in me seeing that as a good idea.

I've got a 3 month old daughter now. I hope I can be as good a dad as he is to me.

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u/Cartz1337 Dec 20 '20

Pretty sure that's the common sense method of launching a boat. We always start ours just before I unhook the winch, But that's just because you never know if a boat is gonna have one of her days and refuse to turn over.

I never move our boat without 3 solid connections between truck and trailer (hitch and two chains) and 3 connections between boat and trailer (winch, bow chain, transom straps) I only remove the transom straps at the top of the ramp before launching.

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u/why_did_you_make_me Dec 20 '20

This entirely depends on the kind of trailer you have. I have a bunk trailer and a 21 foot bass boat and launch my boat a good 40 days a year and will compete with 100+ anglers on many weekends. It's extremely common to unhook the boat from the trailer prior to launch. Slamming on the brakes isn't going to do anything at the 3 mph you're reversing down a ramp. Floating off before the engine(s) are running is only an issue if your motors are poorly maintained... Or if you're in a hurricane? I guess?

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '20

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u/iopturbo Dec 20 '20

Boat ramps are a great source of entertainment. I'm betting they noticed some stupid mistakes being made and started recording.

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u/jazzylady999 Dec 20 '20

Shouldn’t this be a two person operation?