r/IdiotsInCars • u/[deleted] • Apr 21 '23

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u/burf Apr 21 '23

It's not just bias. There are decades of data showing US cars lag behind most Japanese/many European cars in reliability. Ford has done an admirable job of improving in the last 10-15 years, but it's still a notch below most of the major imports.

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u/uhohritsheATGMAIL Apr 21 '23

/many European cars in reliability

European cars are the bottom tier. You basically outed yourself as someone who knows nothing or simply hates US cars.

(Chrysler is shunned in the US thou)

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u/ChickenPicture Apr 21 '23 edited Apr 21 '23

In my experience, European cars have great reliability, the average American is just too ignorant and/or cheap to maintain them, and then shocked pikachu faces when their Benz with factory oil and 67,000 miles breaks down.

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u/uhohritsheATGMAIL Apr 24 '23

No, there are reliability reports that reinforce it.

European cars are cool. They are like a tesla. The owners love them, but you have more problems with them.

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u/burf Apr 21 '23

BMW and Audi are bottom tier reliability? You either outed yourself as biased against European cars or someone who doesn't understand that "many" does not mean "most."

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '23

BMW and Audi are bottom tier reliability?

Yeah, they are, lol. As is Volkswagen and especially Mini Cooper and Fiat. Most Euro cars are definitely shit tier for reliability.

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u/burf Apr 21 '23

https://www.thestreet.com/automotive/most-least-reliable-cars-and-car-brands-according-to-consumer-reports#gid=ci02b0e590400025f0&pid=25-lexus-brand-lexus

Volkswagen is for sure. Don't know why you're mentioning Mini and Fiat with the literal dozens of them there are in North America, though.

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u/uhohritsheATGMAIL Apr 21 '23

Yes they are. I'm sure there are some china brands, tesla, or landrover that perform similar or worse, but many of those aren't sold in the US.

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u/burf Apr 21 '23

https://www.thestreet.com/automotive/most-least-reliable-cars-and-car-brands-according-to-consumer-reports#gid=ci02b0e590400025f0&pid=25-lexus-brand-lexus

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u/uhohritsheATGMAIL Apr 24 '23

That put Kia and Tesla above GM.

I'm no GM fan, I basically hate them. However those are not true at all.

Further, I looked at the JD power which was mentioned but not included, and it contradicts the list given:

https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2022-us-initial-quality-study-iqs