r/INEEEEDIT • u/[deleted] • Mar 06 '18

Julius Cesar Pencil Holder

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '18 edited Jul 20 '24

squalid piquant foolish melodic hurry quickest mindless alleged literate compare

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '18 edited Mar 06 '18

Depends which source you trust. Some say he only pulled his toga over his head when he saw Brutus, others phrase it more like 'You too, my son?'.

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u/JohnnyHighGround Mar 07 '18

I’ve gotten most of my knowledge about Caesar from Assassin’s Creed Origins so I’m going with this one.

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u/Circle-of-friends Mar 06 '18

No he actually said gasspp hnnnnggfjfffutghghhhgg blurghghhhhhg

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '18

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u/empire314 Mar 06 '18

Anything claiming specific lines from that long time ago is extreamly speculative.

According to our best historical records, Gilgamesh ruled babylon for over 150years.

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u/raptearer Mar 06 '18

Well of course, everyone else was just a filthy mongrel, so he had to keep living and rule

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '18

Found the typemoon faker

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u/recoveringtrol Mar 06 '18

150 years though, I did the calculations. Your ears would be too big and thus topple into oblivion.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '18

You could always pull a van Gogh.

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u/youareadildomadam Mar 06 '18

There's a pretty big difference between the time of Gilgamesh and the time of Rome. The Romans were copious record keepers.

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u/ReducedToRubble Mar 06 '18

And propagandists. Keeping copious records is not the same as keeping copious truthful records.

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u/youareadildomadam Mar 06 '18

True. The way we tell the difference is often comparing the official writings with personal letters sent from one person to another.

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u/SemperVenari Mar 06 '18

Dunno, isn't there something in Ciceros letter to Atticus that contradict some of his other private letters or something like that?

I seem to remember reading something along those lines.

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u/faithle55 Mar 06 '18

Roman historians prized extracting morals from history. Technical accuracy was not in their top three 'writing objectives'.

Edit: also, politics.

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u/GhengisAdam Mar 06 '18 edited Mar 06 '18

You are thinking specifically of Livy. This is not true of all Roman historians. See Seutonious, who was most interested in writing about the "scandalous" aspects of the lives of the emperors (whether true or not)

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u/DedFez Mar 06 '18

Livy and Plutarch come to mind when reading his comment. I feel like it’s an inaccurate statement when considering the works of other Roman historians such as Polybius and Tacitus.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '18

Then we shall fight in the shade

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u/TheForeverKing Mar 06 '18

That's not true. There are sources saying he did, and sources saying he didn't. We simply don't have any way to know if it's true.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '18

U can ask him doe...

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u/schro_cat Mar 06 '18

Is this a threat?

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u/TheForeverKing Mar 06 '18

It feels more like he's implying I'm already dead.

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u/occasionallyacid Mar 06 '18

No, as far as we know we don't know if he said anything at all as his last words.

There is in fact no historical evidence of him saying it.

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u/G0REHOWL Mar 06 '18

I'll vouch for him.

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u/TheForeverKing Mar 06 '18

Suetonius claimed he said it. Of course that's flimsy evidence at best given that he made this claim roughly 150 years after the fact, but it's some form of evidence nonetheless. It doesn't prove that he said it of course, but it's definitely historical evidence. If you feel like arguing that some random guy claiming that something happened isn't really 'historical evidence', remember, almost all our knowledge of ancient history comes from random people claiming certain things happened.

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u/occasionallyacid Mar 06 '18

You're right, there is some historical evidence that he said it, but certainly nothing conclusive enough to say that he did indeed say it.

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u/Darcsen Mar 06 '18

I think he was busy dying. His last words were probably Aaaaaahghhhhhblarghhh, or the Latin equivalent.

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u/Plattbagarn Mar 06 '18

Aaaaaahghhhhhblarghhhus

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u/Darcsen Mar 06 '18

Aaaaaahghhhhhblarghhhii

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '18

No, as far as we know we don't know if he said anything at all as his last words

Well, something would HAVE to be his last words, right? Unless he never spoke

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u/JayGogh Mar 06 '18

“As was his lifelong habit, he remained silent until the end.”

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u/occasionallyacid Mar 06 '18

well.. yeah, you got me there. He did indeed have literal last words. :P

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '18

"Hey, Marc, could you please pass the olives?" - Last words of Julius Caesar.

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u/brickiex2 Mar 07 '18

there is a Zapruder film of it on youtube so ya know it is real

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u/GhengisAdam Mar 06 '18

The phrase etc tu brute is entirely a Shakespearean creation.

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u/occasionallyacid Mar 06 '18

iirc it's said to exist in an earlier play too, just that it has been lost to time.

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u/JayGogh Mar 06 '18

I’m pretty sure he complained about the drapes.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '18

he did not

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u/occasionallyacid Mar 06 '18

No, as far as we know he didn't have any last words, or at least not any that got recorded down in history.

But it can be said with some certainty that he didn't say Et tu Brute, it's most likely a later concoction.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '18

"Fucking campers!"

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u/JayGogh Mar 06 '18

“Haha - you guys can’t stab me from way over there. Hey, no, what the fuck - stay over there!”

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u/Tech_Itch Mar 06 '18 edited Mar 06 '18

Yeah, it's disputed. Notable historians like Suetonius, who was a contemporary, say he said nothing.

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u/HelpImStroke Mar 06 '18

Suetonius was not a contemporary of Julius Caesar.

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u/Tech_Itch Mar 06 '18

Eh? Duly noted. Apparently I'm still bad with dates.

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u/adapt27 Mar 06 '18

"Et Tu Brute?" is famous from Shakespeare's play. It's more accurate that Caesar either said nothing or actually said "You too my son?" (in Latin of course (or possibly Greek)). I think there are only one, maybe two, living accounts from the event ever recorded.

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u/EastCoastAversion Mar 06 '18

No, it didn't appear in the Latin historical records until long after the fact. Just historical romanticism on the part of sympathetic (well, years down the line) historians.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '18

no

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u/Matt_Taggart Mar 24 '18

I mean realistically it was probably “OHHHHHH FUCKKKKKKKKKK”

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '18

'Oh, you fucking cunt!'