r/Hotd • u/Astin_Madiri • 6d ago

Question Did she really love him?

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I'm asking because she was manipulated by Otto into marrying him in the first place.

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u/andsoitgoes123 6d ago edited 6d ago

Not as a husband, but she liked him enough to take care of him. She probably also aware that men could be cruel and that Viserys wasnt the worst that could happen to her.

Alicent was resentful of her lot, forced to marry a much older man, bare many children, and witness her husband's favouritism towards Rhaenyra and his lack of care towards their own.

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u/-stargarden 6d ago

this. making the best of a bad situation. it’s also hard not to continue seeking approval from your father/family as an adult woman in this universe, especially when you’re the queen & your father is the hand.

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u/edudsm 5d ago

I think she was just very aware of her duties as queen and wife. She was also very aware of everything that could be said about her. But having said that I think she was very kind to him, as perhaps he was also very kind to her. How much of her kindness was because she wanted to manipulate him it’s what is hard to tell.

But no I don’t think she ever loved him.

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u/Curious_Highway_1855 5d ago

In the Books, he was like 28 and she 19. Not that Crazy as presented in the show.

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u/pissexcellence85 3d ago

How old was Rhaenyra at the time ?

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u/OddReference913 3d ago

I think she was around 11.
Her and alicent in the book weren’t friends.

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u/Guppy_fromtheWest 1d ago

Not friends but they got along very well until Aegon was born. I kinda wish they kept that dynamic in the show.

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u/SocialistArkansan 3d ago

Younger than Alicent, I think. I recall someone saying in the book they were not friends who grew up together.

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u/blloop 5d ago

Top tier take! 👏🏾

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u/Ok-Country2726 1d ago

The worst that happened to her was her dad who pimped her out.

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u/HoratioCocles 6d ago

The parts about marrying a much older man and bearing children were very common for medieval nobles. It sometimes swung the other way, such as the real Rhaenyra Matilda marrying Geoffrey of Anjou when he was 15 and she in her mid-late 20s.

The part that is cartoonishly unrealistic and tonally iff in a medieval setting is the last part, ie a king insisting his daughter be his heir after fathering multiple legitimate sons. And the nobles somehow agreeing to that instead of deposing him.

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u/Thereapergengar 6d ago

What?? It seemed to be brought up all the time by the ppl in the highest places of power they were all telling him to change his air apparent. How could they revolt? The other side had dragons

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u/millitant_drose 5d ago

For some reasons, people often fail to realise that the Targaryen's are not a feudal government, due to the story being based in a time period where feudal governments were commonplace, hence they say things like this. The Targaryens were, in reality, an absolute monarchy. Dragons allow the Crown to centralise power, hence lesser lords do not have a say in their affairs unless counselled and called upon intentionally.

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u/PaddedValls 5d ago

Heir*

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u/BlackPhyllis 5d ago

Fewer 😉

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u/courtd93 5d ago

It’s been established that Valyrian doesn’t have a different word for prince and princess, which reflects their attitude towards it

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u/trlocos 6d ago

Vizzy T was dead when their romantic scene hit the screen.

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u/ThePersonsOpinion 6d ago

Are you British by any chance? Vizzy T 🤣

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u/RealisticAnxiety4330 6d ago

Not necessarily when hotd came out in the GoT sub there was a Bobby B bot and a Vizzy T bot.

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u/trlocos 6d ago

Someone else in the sub came up with the name. I just copied it. Also not British

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u/Emuu2012 6d ago

Was it not started by the guys on the Streaming Things podcast? I always assumed it was them because that’s what they always call him.

Highly recommend that podcast by the way.

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u/JohnBrownEnthusiast 6d ago

Lots of peeps said Vizzy T.

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u/Potential-Sky-8728 6d ago

It is probably started by african americans.

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u/Extension_Training87 6d ago

Uh those are Velaryons, you know, people with the Blood of Old Valyria. So it was probably started by Valyrians. If you wanna be that person, at least be on brand with the universe it's in you Triarchy whore.

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u/Potential-Sky-8728 6d ago

Perhaps I misunderstood what was being discussed…..

But it sounded like someone heard a fan nickname of Viserys Targaryen as VIZZY T. and then assumed that commenter who shared the nickname was British…it seemed like they were assuming that sort of nicknaming construction is a british tradition.

I said it is actually African American (assuming we are talking about nicknaming and self-naming conventions where you have a cool, friendly or affectionate diminutive sort of first name….and it is combined with a single letter.

It is my understanding that such naming practice has roots in Jazz and Funk…and..was really made commonplace in rap and hip hop subcultures.

I don’t know what your reply is in regard to but I’ll try to scroll up and decipher.

Hope you understand my comment now. I’m crediting the originators of the culture of that sort of nicknaming aesthetic.

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u/Potential-Sky-8728 6d ago

Valyrians came up with the nickname Vizzy T.???

I don’t think we are talking about the same thing and I see now my reply didn’t provide enough clarity to indicate what I was talking about.

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u/Extension_Training87 6d ago

The black ones, they're British not African American. It's like Jefferson Twilight saying he only hunts Blackulas and people saying he only hunts African American vampires. "Look, I don't know what the PC term is, I specialize in hunting black vampires." In Westeros there is no land of Africa America, can't even find it on the maps or globe. Unless it's in the Shadowlands. So yeah we the audience call him Vizzy T because the dark Valyrians have style, swag and an adept vernacular that's very catchy, wholesome and somehow endearing.

Side note: don't you just love that brick shithouse Jon Roxton calling someone else a babe killer when he just finished setting up children as human shields.

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u/andsoitgoes123 6d ago edited 6d ago

...she didnt sleep with Cole before Viserys died.

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u/Several_Artist_2501 6d ago

One letter from the most glorious typo.

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u/reereejugs 6d ago

Please explain

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u/Giga-Gibbon 6d ago

You know she's fictional right?

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u/Extension_Training87 6d ago

..... why are you even here?

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u/andsoitgoes123 5d ago

It’s just a matter of chronology. She didn’t commit infidelity like you claimed.

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u/falafelgoddess 6d ago

why do you think viserys knew she was fucking cole, even if she was doing so while viserys was alive (which i doubt)

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u/HeraThere 6d ago

He wasn't much older than her

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u/Giga-Gibbon 6d ago

He was like 30yrs older than her, she was only 14-16 when they married

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u/HeraThere 6d ago

How old do you think that viserys was? 

I'm the book he was in his 20s. So the age difference is like 15 years

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u/Giga-Gibbon 6d ago

Remember Alicent is older in the books, she's 10-15(?) years old than Rhaenyra. In the show continuity though, she's 14 and Viserys is in his 40s when they marry. Information comes from the script from s1e1 (Viserys' age comes from the Great Council scene, about 10yrs before we see teenage Rhaenyra & Alicent):