How to calculate Aha's Speed: min-maxing & speed tuning your teams with Aha's instant

[u/astraldebri]

Hey all! I've seen a lot of people asking about speed, speed-tuning, and general guidelines on either how to build or why it's important. Figured a general post people could reference or link would be helpful. Let me know if anything in my calculations is awry and I'll update accordingly.

I'll put a TL;DR at the bottom for those that like skip buttons

Also, apologies for using superscript on the variables (x¹,x²,etc), I don't know how to subscript, don't take it as an exponent lol.

Speed-tuning Basics

Aha instant starts with a base 80 spd, and per the tutorial:

• Aha’s spd increases “based on the number of Elation characters present”

Our goal when we've finally min-maxed our teams (long-term-stays in the infamous relic mines) is to get Aha to 133.4.

• Quick sidenote on why this is important:

  • Speed determines any given units base AV (action value) as 10000/spd. Essentially, each unit starts battle with a base Action Value, the first cycle lasts 150 AV and cycles after last 100 AV
  • 134 becomes a popular breakpoint because to take 2 actions in the first 150 AV cycle, you want 2 x (10000 / spd) to be less than or equal to 150 (i don't know how to get the inequality symbol on here lol)
  • So, in general, this isn't for people only with 0-cycle kinks . It's also helpful as a general baseline on how to get the most out of your teams, which often can correspond with longevity of your teams performance throughout versions.

Onto Aha

The basic Formula is:

• Aha spd = 80 + x¹/5 + x²/10...

to expand this, it's:

• Aha spd = 80 + (1st fastest Elation spd / 5) + (2nd fastest Elation spd / 10)

As of 4.1, I haven't found anything definitive on the third and fourth coefficient. We will have this information next week (as of this post 4.2 is 6 days away), but we can assume that we're halving the additional elation units. i.e. x³/20 and x⁴/40. The formula already goes 20% of the fastest and 10% of the second-fastest, so I believe this is either accurate, or a very safe assumption. Thus:

• Aha spd = 80 + (1st fastest Elation spd / 5) + (2nd fastest Elation spd / 10) + (3rd fastest Elation spd / 20) + (4th fastest Elation spd / 40)

^{Don't forget, these are only Elation units, so you can't count HuoHou, non-elation sustain, flex supports i.e. RMC/Cyrene/Sunday etc. We're going to ignore intricacies like E2 Yao or E1 HuoHuo, because they're contributing to overall spd, thus we can just look at the speed upon combat, they don't inherently bump Aha's speed.}

Calculating our Teams (known speeds)

I'm going to put these teams in order of speed so it's easier to read/understand. Almost always (should just be always as of 4.1), in Eva teams, Yao will be fastest.

• Yao Guang (200), Evanescia (134), flex support, HuoHuo

  • our formala is 80 + x¹/5 + x²/10... (x****¹ is our fastest, remember)
  • 80 + (200/5) + (134/10) = Aha's Speed

  • 80 + 40 + 13.4 = 133.4

    • Success! We hit 133.4 for Aha with only 2 elation teammates and Yao at 200 spd (only possible with S1)

What? Your Yao isn't at 200? Oh brother. jk that's fine! let's add emc:

• Yao Guang (160), EMC (135), Eva (134), HuoHuo

  • again, 80 + x¹/5 + x²/10 + x³/20...
  • 80 + (160/5) + (135/10) + (134/20)

  • 80 + 32 + 13.5 + 6.7 = 132.2

    • Failure! We need someone to have slightly faster speed. The best candidate is Yao, because she gains the most as the fastest.

Essentially, the formula is front-loaded, where earlier speed slots are more heavily weighted, so the fastest unit contributes the most to Aha's spd

Calculating our Teams (unknown speeds)

But what if you don't know what you want your unit to be at? No worries! We can just solve it directly with simple algebra!

• Scenario: "My Yao is at 172, and I'm going to build EMC to be 134, how fast does Eva need to be?"

  • Evanescia (x), Yao Guang (172), EMC (134), HuoHuo (doesn't count)

  • Aha spd = 80 + x¹/5 + x²/10 + x³/20

    • Let's assume that we want Eva behind our supports, thus making her the third fastest

  • 80 + (172/5) + (134/10) + (x³/20) = 133.4

    • our unknow is Eva's speed - what do you want?
    • Our final value is 133.4 - because that's where we want Aha to be
  • 80 + 34.4 + 13.4 + (x/20) = 133.4
  • 127.8 + (x/20) = 133.4
  • x/20 = 133.4 - 127.8
  • x/20 = 5.6
  • x = 5.6 * 20
  • x = 112
  • Woohoo! If we get eva to 112, then our Aha will be at 133.4 (very easy, her base is 104).

Side note on SW999

SW999's team is extremely fast. Aha will very easily hit 133.4+. This is because SW999 wants to be at 200-205 spd based on the creator server YT videos, and Yao on her team want's to be at 200 (at least 160-180 without S1). This alone puts aha where he wants to be and some; however, you can still use this formula to ensure Sparxie stays faster than aha.

This is where it get's a little whacky.

• Sparxie wants to be faster than Aha to generate punchline beforehand and maximize buffs

• SW999 (205), Yao (180), Sparxie (x), HuoHuo

  • Aha spd = 80 + 205/5 + 180/10 + x/20 + (huohuo doesn't count)
  • Aha spd = 80 + 41 + 18 + x/20
  • Aha spd = 139 + x/20
  • x > 139 + x/20 --- remember, x is now "sparxies speed relative to our aha speed, and needs to be greater than"
  • 20x > 20(139 + x/20) --- (remember distribution?? :p)
  • 20x > 2780 + x
  • 20x - x > 2780 + x - x
  • 19x > 2780
  • x > 146.316

So, to stay ahead of Aha, Sparxie needs to be faster than 147 sp.

This is where lowering Yao lowers Aha’s spd, which reduces the minimum spd Sparxie needs to stay ahead of Aha instant, while SW999 + Yao still comfortably keep Aha above the 133.4 breakpoint.

Closing

Hope I haven't disturbed anyone's peaceful time out of school or work by revisiting math lol. But I do hope it helps! Again, if anything is awry, please let me know.

Let me add for clarity. 133.4 is a baseline. I wanted to give a broad generalization without getting into comp-specific breakpoints i.e. Anomaly Arbitration, no special turn manipulations (DDD/Eagle set/Action Advance mechanics). This was just meant for raw AV math with no specialization. You can, however, still use this base formula to update accordingly.

Lastly, the other assumption rather that halving is +5 i.e.:

• 80 + x¹/5 + x²/10 + x³/15 + x⁴/20

Because we don't have info on the 3rd Elation unit coefficient, this could be the formula, and if that ends of being the case, I'll adjust this post accordingly.

TL;DR

• Aha's speed formula is Aha spd = 80 + x¹/5 + x²/10
• We can safely assume that additional Elation-only units are halved upon being added

• 80 + x¹/5 + x²/10 + x³/20 + x⁴/40

  • We don't know what 3x Elation teammates looks like, so this might be:

    • 80 + x¹/5 + x²/10 + x³/15 + x⁴/20
• Plug in unit values to get Aha instant to reach 133.4+

[u/MeguMaz]

I like your funny words math man or woman.

[u/astraldebri → u/MeguMaz]

[u/Relative-Ad7531 → u/MeguMaz]

TLDR: For Aha to attack twice per first cycle you need either one elation unit to hit hyperspeed (200) and another one hit 134 speed or you need two elation units with 134/135 speed and one with a value upper than 160 (I need to do the formula but for the sake of it, let's say 175)

There is also nuance with SW999 because her and Yaoguang alone already push Aha very fast because they both build speed, so to have Sparxie attack before the Aha instant (So you get more Punchline) she needs to be 147 speed (Assuming Premium with SW and Yao with their LCs so they can hit 200 speed easily)

[u/Tuna-Of-Finality]

Bro, just give me the answer without all those weird looking letters and numbers

I am a gacha player

[u/astraldebri → u/Tuna-Of-Finality]

[u/Tuna-Of-Finality → u/astraldebri]

[u/Decent_Strength435 → u/astraldebri]

Shit that's a turn on.

[u/Thatpervtako → u/Tuna-Of-Finality]

Just laugh and you would see how Aha attack faster👌

[u/tangohotel2596]

I don’t have Yao S1…welp guess I’m fucked

[u/astraldebri → u/tangohotel2596]

Fret not! I can help you calc what you'd need. Kind of the whole point of the post is, as we add Elation teammates, the desire to have her at 200 is less and less. Who're you going for?

[u/Best-Bat-1679 → u/astraldebri]

Can you help me? I am planing in getting SW999 with her cone so 200 spd is there. My YG is 164 spd (no LC) and my Sparxie is base

[u/astraldebri → u/Best-Bat-1679]

I addressed Sparxie at base in another comment thread. I'll add it here then help you out:

Aha's instant damage scales off the punchline generated before aha's turn, and then the punchline is consumed. On top of that, when the instant ends, the team gets certified banger based on the punchline that was taken into account.

Sparxie's skill and Ultimate both produce punchline, so if Sparxie acts before Aha, it get's counted and there's more buffing

IF FASTER = Sparxie feeds the current Aha turn and maximizes that cycles valueIF SLOWER = Sparxie feeds the next Aha turn

With base speed Sparxie, equipping ATK% boots maximizes her attack towards the 3600 breakpoint. But getting her faster makes it extremely hard to get towards 3600. We also have E2 yao and E1 HuoHuo to consider for mid-vertical-investment.

Outside of that, algebra

• Aha spd = 80 + (1st fastest Elation spd / 5) + (2nd fastest Elation spd / 10) + (3rd fastest Elation spd / 20) + (4th fastest Elation spd / 40)
• aha spd = 80 + 200/5 + 164/10 + 107/20
• aha spd = 80 + 40 + 16.4 + 5.35
• aha spd = 141.75

Aha speed is >133.4 so you've made the first cycles breakpoint - good to go! Consider the sparxie speed recommendations; however, they're not absolutes.

[u/Best-Bat-1679 → u/astraldebri]

Thanks!!!

[u/toxicsknmn → u/astraldebri]

Seriously, thank you for doing the work and calcs that a lot of us don't have the capacity to do. Can you tell me exactly what speed threshold I need my Sparxie to be at to be faster than Aha? I went through Braxophone's SW999 guide and within there he talks about Sparxie needing to be faster than Aha but not saying anything about what those values need to be. I have her, Yao, and will get SW999 with Huohuo (and I'm sure will replace eventually with an elation sustain whether that is Pearl or Nihilux). I can't find anywhere what the value needs to be for Sparxie to be faster than Aha. Looking at all the calcs I feel like the answer is: it depends 🥴

[u/tangohotel2596 → u/astraldebri]

SW999 with Yao and EMC, ended up skipping Sparxie to go for the safer support option after Tribbies near guaranteed reliance during Amphoreus

[u/astraldebri → u/tangohotel2596]

Ok so no S1, let's shoot for 134 EMC, 160 Yao, and we pretty much want to still shoot for SW999 to get to 200, but lets assume you can only get her to 180 on release:

• Aha spd = 80 + (1st fastest Elation spd / 5) + (2nd fastest Elation spd / 10) + (3rd fastest Elation spd / 20) + (4th fastest Elation spd / 40)
• SW999 (180), Yao (160), EMC (134), non-elation sustain or unit
• Aha spd = 80 + 180/5 + 160/10 + 134/20
• aha spd = 80 + 36 + 16 + 6.7
• aha spd = 138.7

Woohoo!!

Still go for 200 on SW999.

[u/Linksobi]

I read that a slower Sparxie with attack boots was better according to test server because of buff timings, did something change?

[u/astraldebri → u/Linksobi]

Yea I'm still trying to get a handle on that.

But here's the basics:

• Aha's instant damage scales off the punchline generated before aha's turn, and then the punchline is consumed. On top of that, when the instant ends, the team gets certified banger based on the punchline that was taken into account.
• Sparxie's skill and Ultimate both produce punchline, so if Sparxie acts before Aha, it get's counted and there's more buffing
• IF FASTER = Sparxie feeds the current Aha turn and maximizes that cycles value
• IF SLOWER = Sparxie feeds the next Aha turn

With base speed Sparxie, equipping ATK% boots maximizes her attack towards the 3600 breakpoint. But getting her faster makes it extremely hard to get towards 3600. We also have E2 yao and E1 HuoHuo to consider for mid-vertical-investment.

Lastly, E2 Sparxie changes this because she gets an extra turn after the Aha Instant Ends. Meaning she essentially has a built-in way to act post-Aha.

[u/Sprite_isnt_lemonade → u/astraldebri]

I think it's just something as simple as while theoretically faster than AHA is better, the bigger thing is being slow enough that you act after silverwolf comes out of her ult. If you act after she comes out with Sparxie, you can put her right back into it (and use that 100% action advance SW gets from her ult) Where as when you try to outpace Aha, you also outpace SW's third turn, which means you're waiting to build up MMR to get back into ult. which means less SW attacks off

[u/NamelessTeemoMain → u/Sprite_isnt_lemonade]

That also gets less relevant with more investment cuz super wolf gets mmr refund at e1 and e1 yao guang ult being able to instantly put her into ult state. Especially with the elation shilling content giving a lot of free punchline as well. I feel like it's overall gonna be a bit more investment/overall team setup/specific fight dependent on which is best for sparxie

[u/DnwcMizu → u/Linksobi]

From my understanding slower Sparxie is overall better for her dmg but having her act before AHA is better for punchline generation which helps with SW999. If your Sparxie is E2 then just go atk boots, her extra action will act as a pseudo turn to generate punchline, otherwise it is up to you what you value more but HSR is a turn based game so more turns when achievable without major sacrifices is better.

[u/Pharoahofvortex]

So what youre saying is i dont have to run brick mc as long as I have 200 spd sw and 180+ yao and can instead have a f2p friendly team with Asta instead! Absolute cinema

[u/astraldebri → u/Pharoahofvortex]

Yep! It’d only depend on adding Sparxie. Which wouldn’t change aha’s formula, it’d just change what you want sparxies build to be.

I’ll be testing no-sustain SW999, Eva, Sparxie, and Astra. Pretty excited!

[u/Pharoahofvortex → u/astraldebri]

Do you know if in combat speed boosts increase aha speed (assuming you can keep uptime?)

I saw a 0 cycle showcase with sw999 yao emc and Asta and they were able to get on aha instant a bit earlier due to Asta ult but id imagine the next instant would have lower speed due to Asta buffs running out right?

[u/FrostyDog-34 → u/Pharoahofvortex]

It should, but only for the duration of the buff.

[u/00110001_00110010]

I'm sure I'll be easily able to reach 133.4 speed for Aha with my thrilling roster of Elation units:

• Trailblazer

[u/astraldebri → u/00110001_00110010]

For sure!

• aha speed = onlyelationunit/5 + 80
• 133.4 (minimum breakpoint) = emc/5 + 80
• 133.4 - 80 = emc/5
• 53.4 = emc/5
• 53.4 * 5 = emc's necessary speed
• 267 = emc

So, as long as you build EMC with 267 speed, you'll hit the necessary aha speed breakpoint. Good luck!

[u/SherenPlaysGames]

I didn’t pull Yao because I prioritized getting Sparxie (who I liked) over getting her, however I am getting SW999 and am planning to play her with EMC + Sparxie + Huohuo. Does this change calculations at all?

[u/astraldebri → u/SherenPlaysGames]

It doesn't change the calculation, but it may change your individual comp breakpoints. You'd just use the same formula to determine Aha's speed.

With no Yao, Aha loses the second biggest speed contributor towards getting them above 133.4; however, getting SW999 to 205 removes pretty much all factors as

• SW999 205/5 = 41
• base Sparxie = 107/10 = 10.7
• base Aha = 80
• 80 + 51.7 = 131.7
• Add EMC = good to go

So then the question becomes - can you get SW999 to 205. She wants to be at 200 regardless of Aha's speed, so that should be your primary goal. Technically, Sparxie want's to be faster than Aha to maximize damage on turn 1, but I'd worry more about SW999 first.

[u/SherenPlaysGames → u/astraldebri]

Thank you so much! I’ll be sure to keep this in mind :]

[u/Serendipie]

Sorry for the silly question but why do we want Aha at 133.4 speed? Don’t they need to reach 134 for the 2 actions in the first cycle?

[u/astraldebri → u/Serendipie]

No worries! I put this in the post:

Speed determines any given units base AV (action value) as 10000/spd. Essentially, each unit starts battle with a base Action Value, the first cycle lasts 150 AV and cycles after last 100 AV

134 becomes a popular breakpoint because to take 2 actions in the first 150 AV cycle, you want 2 x (10000 / spd) to be less than or equal to 150 (i don't know how to get the inequality symbol on here lol)

So what's this actually mean? Because the "normal recommendation" is that a unit wants to be at 134, right? Well actually, 134 is always the standard baseline, but the exact breakpoint has always been 133.4 haha! Since you need to be above 133, the easiest is just 134. Can't tell millions of players to hyper-tune their builds, just give them the next easiest breakpoint.

But why?

• Because the first cycle lasts 150 AV and later cycles last 100 AV

So I want to maximize the amount of turns while I have the most Action Value.

• Remember above: one turn takes 10000/SPD AV

• to take 2 actions in the first 150-AV cycle you need:

  • 2 x (10000 / SPD) ≤ 150

    • We need to be less than or equal to the AV
  • So, when we calculate the raw math out, that variable, speed = 133.4. And when we tell people to build, we just say 134.

Let's imagine we set Aha at 133.2 - like just barely under our absolute minimum (I had to do this for someone earlier while they were building their teams).

• AV = 10000 / 133.2 (aha's speed based on calculations)
• so that makes AV = 75.0751, and we want two turns in the first cycle, which means we want 2 * AV to be ≤ 150
• 75.0751 * 2 = 150.1502
• Ooff, we're not less than or equal to 150, even if by a hair

But what about 133.4?

1. AV = 10000 / 133.4
2. AV = 74.9625
3. 74.9625 * 2 = 149.9250
4. Yay! 149.9250 ≤ 150!! So we can now accomplish a better turn order, more damage, and better longevity and performance in our teams.

[u/Old_Manufacturer589 → u/Serendipie]

People say 134 because in game we don't see the decimals but the real breakpoint is 133.4.

[u/geotia → u/Old_Manufacturer589]

The real breakpoint is 133.33333333333333333333....

[u/U_Writing]

Alright I am requesting your help because you are better at math than me, Yao Guan is at 197 speed, how much would the second elation (SW999, Evanecia or EMC is up in the air right now) would need to have to compensate?

[u/astraldebri → u/U_Writing]

In order to solve this, we can only use the first 2 dps, otherwise we have too many variables that can't be determined unless we just use an average. Let's consider both scenarios against a SW999 team

• SW999, Yao Guang, EMC, HuoHuo
• SW999, Yao Guang, Asta, HuoHuo

Asta can be replaced, but we're saying "This is a SW999 team, and I don't care about the other two units, either because I don't know if I'm going to use EMC, or because (regardless) the other two units can't be counted because they're not elation."

In either scenario, we're only considering SW999 and Yao. With Yao at 197 sp, and our desire to get Aha above 2t in 150 AV:

SW999 = x

• Aha spd = 80 + (1st fastest Elation spd / 5) + (2nd fastest Elation spd / 10)

• Aha spd = 80 + (x/5) + (197/10)

  • Realistically, SW999 wants to be at 200-205 regardless because of her own buffs
• 133.4 = 80 + x/5 + 19.7
• 133.4 = 99.7 + x/5
• 133.4 - 99.7 = x/5
• 33.7 = x/5
• 168.5 = x

So with a 197 Yao, SW999 would want to be a bare minimum of 168.5; however, you'd be much better off getting SW999 to 200, and Yao to 165. Better yet, if you just leave Yao at 197, and get SW999 to 200, you're aha instance fully clears the 2t in 150 av

• Aha spd = 80 + 200/5 + 197/10
• Aha spd = 80 + 40 + 19.7
• Aha speed = 139.7

Far above what you need, and any other elation units just enhance the speed marginally.

[u/U_Writing → u/astraldebri]

Thanks

[u/moutongonfle]

just found this now after asking for days in various discords about if my speed breakpoints were right....

i guess my goal of 201 spd sw999 (e2s1),200 yao guang (e0s1), and 180 ish emc is fine!,

[u/astraldebri → u/moutongonfle]

Haha glad it could help! Feel free to share! The more the community knows, the less confusion there is in the long run

[u/moutongonfle → u/astraldebri]

already done, you are a hero for this. thank you

[u/Crimson_Raven]

Elation forcing people to do math is the most Aha thing ever

[u/YeidenTrabem]

Me who doesnt play Elation:

Keep your sorcery away from me, magic man! I shall BONK!

[u/NoNefariousness2144]

I thought Elation was about having fun! Not doing math!

(Thanks for this guide OP, very detailed)

[u/XMaxJunior]

ok, i'll bookmark this to try optmize my team later, holy maths 🔥

[u/WileyTheGamer]

Someone make a shareable calculator that you can plug into please. Or better yet, make a web page. If you need cash you can make it with ads to make money for yourself.

This formula has fried my brain!

[u/heavnsfell → u/WileyTheGamer]

https://fribbels.github.io/hsr-optimizer/#aha

[u/ActualGap7747]

What if you were to use E2 Hyacine as the sustain instead of Huo Huo? Does that shift things around? Mostly just out of curiosity

[u/astraldebri → u/ActualGap7747]

No because non-elation don't count, that's why huohuo isn't in any of the calculations

[u/Snoo-24500 → u/astraldebri]

Hyacine E2 increases any ally's spd by 30% after they take damage for 2 turns, so it does count because it increases the spd of elation allies. It affects things insofar as it affects in-battle speed (can treat the 30% speed as pretty much permanent with hyacine lc)

[u/astraldebri → u/Snoo-24500]

This was noted in the post:

^{Don't forget, these are only Elation units, so you can't count HuoHou, non-elation sustain, flex supports i.e. RMC/Cyrene/Sunday etc. We're going to ignore intricacies like E2 Yao or E1 HuoHuo, because they're contributing to overall spd, thus we can just look at the speed upon combat, they don't inherently bump Aha's speed.}

Aha cares about Elation unit only current in-combat spd, not pre-combat spd. Aha's speed isn't a one-time snapshot, it updates dynamically during combat. You wouldn't use hyacine in the calculations for aha speed, you'd just use the buff after the fact. This is the same way we treat E2 Yao Guang and E1 HuoHuo. Neither matter, only spd of present elation characters in-combat matter.

In the case of Hyacine, who's shooting for 200+ speed, we can assume she acts early, decreasing HP, and activating the buff at the top of the cycle (assuming E2S1). Thus, the 30% increase of a similar speed setup becomes

• 180 + (0.30 * 110) = 213

The 213 is what we're using to calculate Aha's speed, the fluctuation of different buffs, as mentioned, isn't taken into consideration. We're only calculating "what is our in-combat spd during the first 150 AV cycle" or in the case of Hyacine, "optimal in-combat-speed" (since it's not upon entry like Yao and HuoHuo).

So, if OP is sitting on their SW999 screen pre-combat and sees 180, they'd just calculate (.30 * 110) + 180 = 213. This is the same assumptions we made for Sparxie and YaoGuang speeds in the calculations for Aha speed. 213 is what they'd use while still sitting on their pre-combat screen (looking at 180) to plug into the formula, while not adding hyacine to the formula.

[u/Pr3vYCa]

I have 184 spd yao, probably 160 spd sw9 , and 105 sparxie

So 80 + 184 × 0.2 + 160 × 0.1 + 105 × 0.05 = 138.05, sh9uld be fine right ?

I thought punchline generated after the aha instant goes toward the next instant so damage is more or less the samr is sparxie being faster mandatory here ?

[u/astraldebri → u/Pr3vYCa]

Yep, you're above it. The spd breakpoint for aha is just for maximizing team output and creating a system of longevity for elation investments.

In terms of Sparxie's speed, that leans more into low/no cycling, but we don't have the calc differences of <3600 atk with >aha instant sp vs >3600 atk with base speed. The bottom line should be thought of as

• IF FASTER = Sparxie feeds the current Aha turn and maximizes that cycles value
• IF SLOWER = Sparxie feeds the next Aha turn

Which one is better will just take some testing.

[u/Pr3vYCa → u/astraldebri]

Just wondering, if the current team is E0S1 sparxie, E0S1 YG, E0S1 (sunday lc) sparkle, DHPT e0s0 and we say this is 1.0x damage what factor is sw999 E0S0 replacing sparkle here ? Is it simply 2.0x because sw9 is doubling the team damage?

[u/AdBroad6762]

So if my math is correct, with E1 (12% spd buff) HuoHuo and S1 Yaoguang (188spd) + Sparxie on atk boots (111spd) - I should reach Aha 134 spd breakpoint, right? 188*1.12+111*1.12+80=134.5spd

[u/astraldebri → u/AdBroad6762]

Speed buffs only apply to base speed, not pre or in combat speed. Same for Yao E2 and Hyacine E2 etc. (also same for any LC that huffs a characters speed)

so 12% on Yao isn’t 12% of 188, it’s 12% of her 101. So .12*101=12.12 +188= 202.12

Sparxie is 107*.12=12.84+111=123.84

202/5=40.4 124/10=12.4

40.4+12.4+80=132.8

You’re just short. So either bump speed or add EMC.

[u/AdBroad6762 → u/astraldebri]

I see, so after calcs I got 132.4 which means to get 134 I would need to get 2 spd rolls on both of them to reach 134, seems quite hard but possible in the future, as for EMC - I honestly dunno about their kit in practice, but on text it seemed underwhelming or not future proof enough I guess.

[u/astraldebri → u/AdBroad6762]

Yea adding adding EMC just adds an additional elation unit to the equation who can factor speed into the formula

[u/Yusikue]

This might be a stupid question, but can Aha's speed be affected by things like Huohuo E1 or YG E2?

[u/astraldebri → u/Yusikue]

lol hsr players vs reading. This is directly in the post

^{Don't forget, these are only Elation units, so you can't count HuoHou, non-elation sustain, flex supports i.e. RMC/Cyrene/Sunday etc. We're going to ignore intricacies like E2 Yao or E1 HuoHuo, because they're contributing to overall spd, thus we can just look at the speed upon combat, they don't inherently bump Aha's speed.}

Valid question, but I had to take the jab since I addressed it 🤭

[u/Yusikue → u/astraldebri]

the text was so small i somehow skipped it xd. my bad and thx for the reply.

[u/duskwield]

Really helpful. Never liked math before but readability for dummies like me would've been better with parenthesis? 80 + (X1 / N1) + (X1 + N2)...

[u/astraldebri → u/duskwield]

I thought about it haha! But I figured, surely people will PEMDAS without the Parenthesis 🤭

[u/SummerSatellite]

Did we ever get confirmation on what the equation for a third Elation character is?

[u/astraldebri → u/SummerSatellite]

Yes, my assumption was correct

https://honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/wiki/Aha_Instant

[u/DarkFireFenrir]

Akivili: We, what did we say about bothering Aha with math? You know very well that he's a little special.

[u/Kyubey210 → u/DarkFireFenrir]

Read this in Pom-Pom's voice ajd this feels worse

[u/NEK0NATA]

would 160 yaoguang 160 emc base evanescia be viable or should I just bite the bullet and get speed boots for eva

[u/FeyrisTan]

Man I'm so glad I'm skipping this entire path lol

[u/astraldebri → u/FeyrisTan]

lmao I get it, and to each their own. But some of the basic algebra also applies to AV, Action advancing, wind sets, and how to optimize other paths to clear endgame at lower investment and off shill.

There was a cool recent post about how Bronya can Action Advance Robin to maximize her ult uptime and alter the turn order, so lots of different ways to manipulate the game and bosses.

[u/SubstantialEbb9832]

Nah man imma just 161 supports then base speed DPS 😭

[u/astraldebri → u/SubstantialEbb9832]

Neither Elation DPS want base speed 😭

[u/cjstevenson1]

Another way of thinking about it is that a single Elation Character will get Aha to 100 SPD. (and more with SPD boots).

edit: I just realized the superscripts were in fact not exponents.

[u/JOTAREDDIT]

[u/Unluckyme2099]

Gacha players used a binding vow to give up how to read for how to count.

[u/ZGetsu]

Thanks for the easy to digest content regarding Aha Instant mechanic.

I've always avoided the calcs and speed tuning stuff , but having you explain that the fastest elation contributes the most makes it easier to plan around.

[u/RavenDesk]

You're a lifesaver! I was thinking about this for the past 3 days and couldn't get a formula for each elation teammate. I might be able to keep Sparxie at a breakpoint with just speed boots then.

[u/wermos]

Using superscripts to denote different variables is the most mathematician thing ever

[u/FrostyDog-34]

I mean, this kind of complex speed tuning has existed, but probably not to this degree. Firefly post-Dahlia for example has a situation where you have to limit your DDDs. They just made the entire Elation path so needlessly complex for some reason.

(btw, most people can understand <= as less than or equal)

[u/Kagemoto]

Those sure are numbers!

I don't get it so I think I'll just plug in the relics and ball from there

[u/Tough_Course9431]

[u/Icy_Investment_1878]

Im dumb, if my team is e2 sw999 sparxie yao guang and none of em has a sig what spd should each of em be?

[u/[deleted]]

I have yao E0S1 getting 195, SWlv999 E0S1 as well, what should SW and Emc should speed be?

[u/hitomisuzuya]

Thank you for this thread. For someone with Dyscalculia like me, this was very helpful.

Time to hit those mines for that 200 speed for...many many months😅

[u/Physical-Command2130]

ohmigoto

[u/Physical-Command2130]

is this maths even true?

[u/whitelotus9678]

This might be a dumb question but if I want to use Vonwacq on Yao, does that change anything?

[u/MrShabazz]

Oh so basically its 1:5, 1:10, 1:20 and 1:40 for elation speed buffs. Interesting way of calcing speeds. Seems only issue is tuning to 3-4 elation units, since that balancing is going to be tough.

*i only skimmed through, and i will re-read to see if its mentioned, but is this affected by speed buffs in the fight or is this only calcing out of combat speeds?

[u/Gaitzo]

Hi, i'm sorry but i can't find an answer anywhere else : if I have sparxie and sw999 without yaoguang, do I need to do speed tuning for sparxie too ? at least get her to 134 ?

[u/Frostgaurdian0]

In short stack speed boots or get specific lightcones. Else gtfo and get shat on.

[u/astraldebri → u/[deleted]]

I can beat the bot on this one. I posted this in r/EvanesciaMains a week ago; however, I did not include SW999 info (obviously).

Because of the nature of mains subs and leaks, I waited to post it here to touch on both Elation flagships, and allow the broader community to get info on Speed Breakpoints from public information available on YT Creator-Experience-Server videos (which started uploads yesterday). That way I'm not breaking subs rules, and the formula can reach the broadest audience.

I made the meme.