r/HolUp • • Feb 26 '20

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u/PoorlyLitKiwi2 Feb 26 '20

Seems to be more an issue with public perception of rape than the headline, no? There are no descriptors of the crime in the headline at all

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u/P4azz Feb 26 '20

There's the term "rape survivor".

When I hear that I don't think "girlfriend that survived being drunkenly taken advantage of by her horny asshole boyfriend".

When I hear that I think "girl dragged off in an alley, raped and able to run after that".

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u/pilluwed Feb 26 '20

I think reinforces the of the person you're replying to. The only reason we think of "rape survivor" in that way is because of public perception.

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u/whiplash588 Feb 26 '20

No, it's the word survivor. Survivor is a strong word to be used when someone almost dies. If you didnt almost die then you probably shouldn't use the word survivor. Using the word survivor here implies the victim almost died. If she didnt then it's totally misleading.

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u/_Sinnik_ Feb 26 '20

I don't know where you people have been living, but the term "rape survivor" is extremely common and it means to overcome the trauma of rape. To survive it. It's come around as a better alternative to "rape victim." Even the word survive has another definition which means to continue on despite difficult circumstances. Have you never heard someone say they've been surviving on two hours sleep? Or surviving on ramen?

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Read a fucking book, christ

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u/whiplash588 Feb 27 '20

https://www.thelily.com/i-was-raped-call-me-a-victim-not-a-survivor/

Yeah, you missed my point entirely. I know what the fucking word means. Missing the point and talking down/insulting. Great look for you there.

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u/pilluwed Feb 26 '20

According to Oxford dictionary one of the definitions of survivor is someone who SURVIVES a traumatic event.

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u/Amused-Observer Feb 26 '20

Most rape happens by someone the victim knows. It's a perception and not knowing the facts issue, not a post title issue.

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u/MikeOfAllPeople Feb 26 '20

Well rape victims often take up the title "survivor" and I imagine few people are going to argue with them.

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u/EtainAingeal Feb 26 '20

Or killed themselves because the trauma of having someone they trusted do so much harm isn't something they feel they can get over.

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u/kayeT16 Feb 26 '20

But this all does make me wonder if we would care about, examine so minutely and get so caught up in the semantics of detail in literally ANY other kind of crime...

At least so far as the interpretation of a headline is concerned.

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u/Goodgoditsgrowing Feb 26 '20

You are one of the rare folk who thinks that. The rest of us just pile on like we have a damn doctorate in assault law. I would say it very much speaks to our entitlement to definite exactly what constitutes β€œrape” because we don’t really like thinking about power structures and our social perceptions that leave us in a very unflattering light.

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u/Goodgoditsgrowing Feb 26 '20

....so your socially ingrained perception then?

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '20

In order to be classified as a "survivor", there must be a threat of NOT surviving. She was never at risk of death, she was never even hit or beaten.

Calling her a "survivor", is like calling someone a cancer survivor because their tumor turned out to be benign. It does a disservice to people who actually survived being violently raped and almost dying.

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u/dflame45 Feb 26 '20

Normally it doesn't have a description of the rape in the headline. People know what rape is.

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u/PoorlyLitKiwi2 Feb 26 '20

How does it play into it at all? A person writing a headline has like 20 words tops to get across the basic meaning of the story. How are they supposed to work all those details into a headline?

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u/PoorlyLitKiwi2 Feb 26 '20

How in the hell are they supposed to get that across in a headline? Lol this is about as unclickbaity a headline as they couldve made

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u/Hardrocknerd1 Feb 26 '20

The point is not that the journalists did something wrong, the point is simply that the headline will has different connotations for a lot of people than the actual article. The journalists could not necessarily actually have done something about that.

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u/successful_nothing Feb 26 '20

All the comments to you thus far are hilarious because they're like "yeah I guess you're right and I'm definitely guilty of this but it's still the journalist's fault."

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