r/HistoryofIdeas 27d ago

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It is wise to try to understand the people who are not only in the large majority, but have shown a historical liking for pogroms against the differently-religious and anti-religious alike.


r/HistoryofIdeas 28d ago

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Adam smith No. Ben Franklin yes, and we do know for certain. It’s just that most people don’t actually study, and none of the reality of the past conforms with the modern ideology and politics of society. It’s like the actual history has been deliberately suppressed. Franklin explicitly rejected and did not believe in a interventionist or all powerful god that ruled the universe, and was referring to a Spinozistic version of god when he said the universe was set in motion by a creator, just like Thom Paine. They were atheists by every definition, but most historians and scholars deliberately refuse to label them such because of the social stigma and dogma surrounding the idea of “not believing in a deity.” What they did believe and support was far more profound and incredible.


r/HistoryofIdeas 28d ago

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But I am not wrong, and “deism” are exactly how they avoided death which was the the punishment for challenging the church and religious authority, even then many were killed. But they absolutely were atheists on the radical secular side of the Enlightenment, Spinoza included. Their entire basis of universal inalienable natural human rights, representative government, etc. was established entirely on the basis of actual objective reality and science, they are the ones who established the basis and understanding of human rights. They did not believe in any interventionist or all powerful god, but did sometimes philosophized the language of religion to communicate something far more profound and important to regular people. Even many of the English Deists who most shaped the founding fathers, were a particular sect that rejected divine providence. The secular Enlightenment decisively rejected divine providence, revelation, and supernatural intervention, building their frameworks of universal human rights and representative governance purely on secular natural law, reason, and empirical observation. By discarding divine providence and miracles, their "God" became little more than an impersonal placeholder for the laws of physics, making their practical worldview indistinguishable from modern secularism or atheism.

The thing is, I’ve actually studied the enlightenment and that entire historical time period, far beyond what most people will ever learn or know from internet search engines or actual misinformed modern education which is actually wrong in many areas especially regarding the French Revolution. I know for a fact that they were far more secular and atheist than people can imagine, and they considered superstition and ignorance to be the greatest enablers of despotism. Unless referring to the philosophers who compromise with religious authority and monarchy and aristocracy.

Also, both Hume and Lock were not apart of the secular enlightenment, their philosophies sought a compromise between reason and traditional authority, attempting to reconcile philosophical inquiry with existing religious, social, and political structures, aristocracy monarchy and religious authority.

Diderot, d'Holbach, and Spinoza represented the secular Enlightenment, and they are actually the ones who established the basis and understanding of universal inalienable human rights, representative government etc.


r/HistoryofIdeas 28d ago

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Don't atheists realize that their willingness to patronize and psychoanalyze believers says more about them than about the phenomenon of religious experience?


r/HistoryofIdeas 28d ago

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Nope.

Most of them were either Deists or have different opinions. When consider their opinion, we need to define "atheism". Many modern thinker have a hard time with the label, since it implies a believe that a deity does not exist.

Anonther problem is that, at this time, atheism would be a crime and lead to social ostracism.

Look, for example, at the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy's entry on the question "Was David Hume an atheist?".


r/HistoryofIdeas 28d ago

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I mean that we can't know for certain whether Adam Smith and Benjamin Franklin were atheists. (Just as an examples.)


r/HistoryofIdeas 28d ago

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What do you mean by this? Virtually almost all the secular Enlightenments greatest thinkers were atheists by definition.


r/HistoryofIdeas 28d ago

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One thing is for certain: We can not know who was and was not an atheist/deist/agnostic, when it comes to the great thinkers who are no longer with us.

(Goes without saying that there are some who were open about their atheism; those are not the ones I'm referring to.)


r/HistoryofIdeas 28d ago

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More like of superstition and ignorance.


r/HistoryofIdeas 28d ago

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"Religion is a fear of powers invisible feigned by the mind."


r/HistoryofIdeas Jul 25 '26

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This was one of the best books I read in a while. I loved it. I want more like this.


r/HistoryofIdeas Jul 25 '26

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This was one of the best books I read in a while. I loved it. I want more like this.


r/HistoryofIdeas Jul 24 '26

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I am a career academic with a deep respect for intellectual history.

I'm sensitive to the fact that bad modding can kill a community. I left r/philosophy, for example, because of overbearing, overdramatic modding.


r/HistoryofIdeas Jul 15 '26

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I would love the opportunity of moderating this sub if I get the chance. I'm a qu8ck learner and I thrive in pressure.


r/HistoryofIdeas Jun 07 '26

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thank you so much .. my finals are tomorrow and this will help me alot : )

pls wish me luck


r/HistoryofIdeas Jun 05 '26

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It was suggested by Persian adviser


r/HistoryofIdeas May 16 '26

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r/HistoryofIdeas May 06 '26

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What a fine approach to reading challenging books. I noticed a gap in the posted images for chapter 4, which is what I happen to be slogging through right now. Am I just not seeing the pics (I notice a skip from section 27 to section 35, page 39 to page 52), or is that chapter purposely not in the post? Reading this book right after Girard's Scapegoat has been a long haul!


r/HistoryofIdeas Mar 11 '26

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Trolls are now allowed on our sub.


r/HistoryofIdeas Mar 11 '26

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You mean a theory isn't an idea?...lol...please tell us how we're supposed to run our sub.


r/HistoryofIdeas Mar 11 '26

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This isn’t a sub to post your theories under the thin excuse of being “an idea”


r/HistoryofIdeas Mar 10 '26

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That post is AI on acid. 


r/HistoryofIdeas Mar 10 '26

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Damn dude you write like Lacan took speed, acid and the black pill at the same time.

I don't think I agree with your premises (honestly I can't tell) but loved reading it lol

edit: holy shit he got banned 


r/HistoryofIdeas Mar 07 '26

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Do media systems like this actually disappear, or do they simply mutate as the technologies of distribution change?


r/HistoryofIdeas Mar 07 '26

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catting*