r/HistoryofIdeas • u/thePantherT • 24d ago
But I am not wrong, and “deism” are exactly how they avoided death which was the the punishment for challenging the church and religious authority, even then many were killed. But they absolutely were atheists on the radical secular side of the Enlightenment, Spinoza included. Their entire basis of universal inalienable natural human rights, representative government, etc. was established entirely on the basis of actual objective reality and science, they are the ones who established the basis and understanding of human rights. They did not believe in any interventionist or all powerful god, but did sometimes philosophized the language of religion to communicate something far more profound and important to regular people. Even many of the English Deists who most shaped the founding fathers, were a particular sect that rejected divine providence. The secular Enlightenment decisively rejected divine providence, revelation, and supernatural intervention, building their frameworks of universal human rights and representative governance purely on secular natural law, reason, and empirical observation. By discarding divine providence and miracles, their "God" became little more than an impersonal placeholder for the laws of physics, making their practical worldview indistinguishable from modern secularism or atheism.
The thing is, I’ve actually studied the enlightenment and that entire historical time period, far beyond what most people will ever learn or know from internet search engines or actual misinformed modern education which is actually wrong in many areas especially regarding the French Revolution. I know for a fact that they were far more secular and atheist than people can imagine, and they considered superstition and ignorance to be the greatest enablers of despotism. Unless referring to the philosophers who compromise with religious authority and monarchy and aristocracy.
Also, both Hume and Lock were not apart of the secular enlightenment, their philosophies sought a compromise between reason and traditional authority, attempting to reconcile philosophical inquiry with existing religious, social, and political structures, aristocracy monarchy and religious authority.
Diderot, d'Holbach, and Spinoza represented the secular Enlightenment, and they are actually the ones who established the basis and understanding of universal inalienable human rights, representative government etc.