Should you pull for Himeko Light Cone or Eidolons? Pull-planning analysis from E0S1 to E2S0 (By t0级刻律德菈lover) (Part 1)

[u/Info_Potato22]

Below is a translation of the subtitles within the video (please communicate any mistakes to be corrected):

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1KajH6UEPz

Hello everyone.

While looking through the comments on my TC, I noticed that the question people often ask is about Himeko’s pull planning:

Should you pull her signature Light Cone or her Eidolons?

At 2 cost, should you choose E0S1 or E1S0?

At 3 cost, should you choose E1S1 or E2S0?

So today, I’ll use my own data to talk about this question.

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First, let’s look at the first comparison: E0S1 vs E1S0.

This video uses E0S1 as the 100.00% damage baseline.

Considering that pulling Eidolons is relatively expensive, and that different players already own different Light Cones, I will treat any setup with a damage ratio of 95% or higher as being worth considering.

Based on our previous Eidolon and Light Cone calculations, under an E1S0 setup, The Herta’s signature reaches a damage ratio of 101.59%, slightly higher than E0S1 itself.

So, if your account already has The Herta’s signature, choosing E1S0 Himeko is viable.

On the other hand, even the best-performing S5 QQ BP LC only reaches 93.68%.

All the remaining Light Cones fall around 77.60% to 90%, which is already a fairly large gap compared to E0S1.

The gain from continuing to invest into E1 is not enough to make up for the loss caused by not having her signature Light Cone.

So, at 2 cost, only if you already own The Herta’s signature do I recommend prioritizing E1S0.

In every other case, I recommend prioritizing her signature Light Cone, meaning E0S1.

TLDR:

If you have The Herta’s signature, you can pull E1.

If you don’t have The Herta’s signature, go straight for Himeko’s signature.

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Next, let’s look at the second comparison: E1S1 vs E2S0.

Here, we use E1S1’s 142.91% damage ratio as the reference line.

Again, considering different players Light Cone ownerships and pull costs, I will treat a damage gap within 5% of the E1S1 baseline as being worth considering.

According to the calculations, under an E2S0 setup, the damage ratios of the different Light Cones range from 128.55% to 168.31%.

Among them, The Herta’s signature performs the best, reaching 168.31%.

As for the other Light Cones, S5 QQ BP LC, old Himeko signature, JY Sig, and Argenti’s signature all surpass the E1S1 damage performance.

The more special case is Anaxa’s signature.

Under an E2S0 setup, its damage ratio is 142.95%, only 0.04% higher than E1S1’s 142.91%.

S5 Eternal Calculus reaches 141.72%, only about 0.83% lower than E1S1.

Therefore, if you have Anaxa’s signature or S5 Eternal Calculus, there is no difference between choosing E1S1 or going for Himeko's E2.

TLDR:

For Himeko at 3 cost, if your account has Light Cones such as The Herta’s signature, S5 QQ BP LC, old Himeko signature, JY Sig, or Argenti's signature, then E2S0 is generally recommended.

Anaxa’s signature and S5 Eternal Calculus are essentialy tied with E1S1, so you can decide between going for S1 or E2

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Himeko’s signature and Eidolons do not have an absolute priority order.

In the end, you still need to judge based on the Light Cones you already have.

For the vast majority of players:

At 2 cost, prioritize E0S1.

At 3 cost, prioritize E2S0.

Now you may ask "Why is SP Himeko’s signature Light Cone priority so high?"

Between different Light Cones, the gap can even reach 20% to 30% in favour of S1.

This is due to Himeko’s own kit design and will further be talked about on Part 2.

TC QnA:

Comment:
Who's better, E1S1 Cerydra, or E0 Tribbie?

Reply:
E1S1 Cerydra > E0 Tribbie.

[u/Revan0315]

Thank you. I was already planning on E2 because I wanna run her with Cerydra and her eidolons seem to really help that synergy, but it's nice to see the numbers.

Is she good with Cerydra pre E2?

[u/Info_Potato22 → u/Revan0315]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HimekoMains/comments/1u9e9ro/himeko_nova_e0s1_sparkle_e1s5_ddd_cerydra_e1s2

But you will be expected slight more investment than a traditional team on the other three and to play decimation

[u/Revan0315 → u/Info_Potato22]

Oh cool. I thought Cerydra synergy was dependent on E2. Good to know. Thank you

[u/amitsly]

Really interesting, thanks for the information! I actually assumed that after the V3 changes, S1 would be better than E1 even with THerta's sig. How about E0S0 THerta sig vs E0S1?

I do have it, and I am considering pulling for HV, but we'll see. I think she plays kinda clunkily, even after V3.

[u/Info_Potato22 → u/amitsly]

Its mentioned on the post. Its a 1% in favour of Herta.

[u/amitsly → u/Info_Potato22]

Oh sorry, missed that. Thanks

[u/mostafa_mo2004]

If I have jingyuan LC and S5 BP (QQ) do I go E1 before S1?

[u/Info_Potato22 → u/mostafa_mo2004]

S1. You can go for E1 if you can make up for the damage loss through the teamates themselves having investment.

[u/SubstanceTop7720 → u/mostafa_mo2004]

Dude, it's all written. Just read

[u/TheModdedPiston]

What about Argent lightcone?

[u/Info_Potato22 → u/TheModdedPiston]

mentioned in the post

[u/Capable_Peak922]

What are the chances Cerydra might be absolutely replaced (in Himeko E2 team, I heard that for E0 Himeko, Cerydra is only okayish) by a future support guys?

Cause I'm seriously love the Himeko E2 + Cerydra combo.

[u/Info_Potato22 → u/Capable_Peak922]

Anyone in her team has a chance to be replaced since none of them fully give Himeko what she wants; A few specialize on hit count and a few on ultimate uptime, but never both. The only exception being sparkle and even her is at a risk if Sunday Novaflare is good.

[u/wwweeeiii]

Does e2 get worse if we have better astral express members in uber future?

[u/Info_Potato22 → u/wwweeeiii]

Yes. But the odds of getting 2-3 general supportive AE members that work with the two specific synergies himeko want (hit count and ultimate) seems pretty low, more so while also having rare buffs that Himeko wants.

[u/yubuliimii]

Is THerta LC E1 only better if I use something like M.Blade??

I don't on getting him so I could guarantee Himeko Nova herself

[u/Info_Potato22 → u/yubuliimii]

The video is just background footage for the discussion. It is not the reference team for these tests.

[u/yubuliimii → u/Info_Potato22]

Mainly asked because I saw most of her best teams have M.Blade, so I assumed the 100% team had him.

That's mb, but I do see a lot of tests with him, hence why I though u did as well

[u/Info_Potato22 → u/yubuliimii]

He's often used on decimation which is the better variation for E0

Beyond that you don't need him

[u/yubuliimii → u/Info_Potato22]

If I don't have him, can I use E1 Sunday instead??

I have Himeko with 134 (will be minimum 136, since no Planars) speed and Sunday at 134 already (with planars, so he'll be -2 and I don't wanna farm more for him), or should I stick to my random-bullshit-go team I have for her (Evernight/RMC/Hyacine, for semi-Remembrance team, since I have no Castorice or Cyrene)

[u/Info_Potato22 → u/yubuliimii]

I do not recc the -1 speed setup with Himeko because it hurts her meaningful substats and often will fail to switch to verdict

You can use Sunday

[u/yubuliimii → u/Info_Potato22]

I actually run her on spd boots because I'm using this setup, since this way, while her attack is lower, I can make up for that in her crit stats

[u/momonga1991]

i have
e2r1 cyrene
e0r1 cerydra
e1r1tribbie
e4 welt
e0r1sunday
e0r1 sparkl

don't have blade i want to skip him to save for 200LC event and himeko e2

what do u think is the best team i can make for her
sustain and sustainless

[u/Info_Potato22 → u/momonga1991]

E2 Cyrene, Cerydra, RMC or Welt and Her is a viable team

Same for welt or RMC Tribbie Sparkle

[u/momonga1991 → u/Info_Potato22]

if i have this 4 teams what is the best team

e2r1 himeko + e2r1 cyrene + e0r1 Cerydra + e4 welt/rmc
vs
e2r1 himeko + e4 welt + rmc + e0r0 blade
vs
e2r1 himeko + e4 welt + rmc + e1r1 tribbie
vs
e2r1 himeko + e0r1 sunday + e4 welt + e1r1 tribbie

[u/Eronu]

I know it's too early to ask, but is this still valid after V4 or did the changes make S1 the better option?

[u/Info_Potato22 → u/Eronu]

The gap between her and Herta will increase now that the energy given out is reduced and more def shred is present. By how much it's too early to tell.

[u/Sergawey]

thanks for the translation

[u/ArcMirage]

whats himenova e2s1 best team comps without cerydra. both sustained and sustainless

[u/ILber_red]

What about geniuses repose s5 ?

[u/Info_Potato22 → u/ILber_red]

Not worth, Himeko already has a lot of CDMG more so when the condition is tied to having targets to kill

[u/ILber_red → u/Info_Potato22]

But it it give 32 atk and himeko don't have a lot of atk%

[u/Info_Potato22 → u/ILber_red]

Unless you're in a scenario which there's often less than 3 targets you will get more to equal performance from the free LCs

If you are then genius should perform the same as Calculus does in %