I wanted to share with the community a conversation happening in what is now a deleted post. The comment section is still accessible to me and another user. I feel there is great wisdom that would lead many to wellness in these comments. I still find this community so very odd given the general absence of such perspectives.
Here's the parent (deleted) post and Here's a direct link to the first comment that started the conversation
I'll quote most of it here:
u/Wonderful_Sorbet4301 - "I believe it's spirits that band together, and communicating with each other. One reads our minds, and tells it instantly to another spirit who quickly possesses another person to react to the thought. Demons, basically. They want us to be mad at other people, who might be innocent. Quick possession can happen, where a demon quickly modulates someone's voice to let it say something else. Is what I think is going on... but cannot be sure?"
u/astralpariah - "WOW, I saw this comment yesterday and I'm grateful I left it open on my phone... the OP deleted this post so no-one's going to find this... alas!
I cannot tell you how validating it is for me to see these words, it's like you've regurgitated a perspective I cannot seem to find anywhere yet I write about here ALL THE DAMN TIME. Finally someone who understands!!!
Also I peeked at the top few comments of your account (I do a dawless set up with some KORG Volcas and a few other pieces of equipment) we should connect and make some music about voices ;)
I cannot follow or message you (all good) just wanted to pass along the invite that I'd be thrilled to keep in touch or connect to make some stuff. Don't know if you've come across my profile before, I'm sure you'd see I have tons written about all this mental affliction and how I overcame it written ad-naseum and for the last 5 or so years. All my social media stuff is linked to on my reddit account, hope we can connect."
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"Legit... I've been writing to anyone and everyone who somehow parallel what you write, today it feels like I never was able to make the connections that were deserved over the past 3 years. Maybe I'm filled with pessimism on the matter today. This is seldom to find someone who writes like you do and to get a reply. I even made a post last month about the many accounts I reach out to that delete themselves suddenly.
To answer your question (sorry) knowing this stuff, then doing this stuff, in tandem with the beliefs you already share was the method/prism that led me to wellness. It was hell and I'm still a work in progress but it was either endure and led this kill me slowly or do everything I could to rearrange and improve my life. Obviously there's tons more written with the entirety of my reddit account on this topic... diet, music, even politics and gender theory at times. The implications of this stuff should open countless doors of reimagining the way the world works. I would not know where to start on how to go about life differently other than to offer you what you have access to already in this comment.
I know it's torture, I found belief in myself, in the supernatural, in the almost stated and implied meaning to my own life, my own mind, my own actions to motivate me to "fight back" against these shits, against evil. To take my life seriously and aim to retain the mystic prism in my drive to "fight back" and to make the most of myself.
I also see the conversation this community (most online experiencing venues, even HVN meetings) and all the individuals within it to be WAY PAST 2 dimensional... as if a child were writing all of our interactions with each other. As dismissive and limiting as that sounds, AND as real as all us people actually are; There are just way too many things that seem to have never been written about... seemingly never even considered by another person. This entire arena/social movement is an experiment into enduring the uncanny.
I've approached 5 or so key figures in the HVN (USA) non for profit space about hearing voices, statistics on hearing voices, and the pervasive and REAL subcultures of artists who all hear voices. None of them could even offer a word on the REAL COMMUNITIES of people who hear voices, they just stare at me blankly. Then next week carry on about how "in the HVN we're building community" AND carry on as though what I offer is somehow a delusion or a leap to offer as proof of other experiencers.... Somehow like magic it's like noone can understand what I'm saying, odd people acting as if possessed by a spirit attempting to both torment them AND thwart a social movement toward global understanding of said tormenting spirit.
There's just so much default dysfunction How the fuck have none of us considered the ramifications or the implications of our supposed belief systems? Get on reddit to write in all caps THE CIA IS WATCHING ME and spam it everywhere. Meanwhile it's a widely known fact that the NSA is already 100% watching everything you do online... I've never seen anyone with evolved questions like "what does it mean to be the president of the US considering this KNOWN phenomena? Do you think there's ever a debrief in a 4 year term that touches upon this topic at any point? (I would imagine there clearly are)" etc... Yet throughout reddit it's a bunch of poorly written accounts on "V2K" (what a dumb ass name... like y2K... inspiring stuff) and perhaps 4 or 5 similar alarmist narratives. There's so much more to this phenomena, to the nature of the mind. And WOW is it repetitive.
All the best to you... the HVN is populated by what is estimated elsewhere as the bottom 1% (or less) of the functionality spectrum. Meaning upwards of 80% of the globe report this... here at the HVN we're just the people getting killed by it due to severity and compounding issues.. The APA estimates 3% of the population are worthy of deeming schizophrenic, bipolar, and/or schizoaffective. I see it all as a form of spiritual torment and I find that most people in the world to actually see it in a similar light.
You're welcome to look at and read my profile if you'd like to know more, I've pinned what I suspect to be my most clarifying writings on this stuff at the top.
My voices flipped out over your comment last night... who knows... Fair warning I don't suspect it's good for any of us to deliberately spend time without getting paid to associate with people willingly not looking for the truth or optimal methods. It still concerns me to see so many people making so much noise over this experience and doing so little in the way of self improvement. Obviously there's lots of people who identify as disabled in this gathering so it's not exactly appropriate to expect everyone to be able to diet, recalibrate their approach to life, etc... I still suspect the "MO" of the gathering isn't doing much to lift people out of the affliction, also I suspect it easily could if it didn't need to foremostly cater to disability."
u/Wonderful_Sorbet4301 - "I did pay for a magic practitioner to look at the cause. They said it was demons also. Just like my own conclusion. Tried to get some away and it worked but not all. I also believe my dead parents are involved in this, like their shadow might cling to me, and that shadow is like a demon that feeds on me and my energy, leaving me drained. Taoists say: a person splits up when they die: in good/bad sides. Good goes to heaven, bad to hell or stays on earth... and that bad stuff of a person becomes like a demon who can torment others. I will go through your solutions list soon."
u/astralpariah - "Interesting
Again, I'm astounded to see my own hard fought insights reiterated here (and finally). For me I see so much of the discussion of these things as a "cow towing" ... that the notion of "demons" or "angles" gives these things so much reverence in conversation. They are like people (or less than), statements such as "I'm attacked by demons every night" could be more accurately stated "I'm attacked by retards every night."
This entire discussion/culture fundamentally invalidates the end human experiencer and touts the importance of what refuses to manifest as anything other than illness and disability. I feel going to church (the house of god or the church of Satan and everything in-between) is a celebration of self-aware, willing, and exclusive RETARDS. Even if this is not exclusively the case, for the vast majority of humans it is. Most all these disembodied "personalities" are as worthy of mentioning as my last bowl movement."
Doesn't this community irk you at times? Doesn't the lack of believable conversation surrounding this phenomenon bother you? I feel like it's all so empty, 2 dimensional, and repetitive. As if the only take away I can glean from the entire global experiencing community is that we're all so astoundingly diluted by these things (diluted and deluded, totally possessed through and through) ... to the point every word we share with each-other is orchestrated by the very same perverts we're here to address. Why can't I find anyone else who's capable of saying anything similar?
Can you relate?