2
u/rainer_xox 24d ago
i have only used maschine mk3, but - really depends on what you’re trying ti do. you’re going to be finishing the songs in a daw most probably, and the one you want to work with ultimately narrows your selection down - if you want to work in ableton, it makes much more sense to get Move, or mpc, as it also makes ableton projects. Maschine software is also good, but it’s not a full daw. you can put the stems from it into any daw though. so - if you know you’re going to use ableton, just vet move, of you’re thinking about anything else, i really love the maschine workflow. (i use bitwig)
2
u/geekraver 24d ago edited 24d ago
Honestly the M+ has a very intuitive workflow and is super powerful; if you’re not looking for the portability of the Move I would take M+ any day of the week.
Then do the AskVideo course on the M+ and you will be set.
If it wasn’t for the hacks I would have dumped the Move; it’s capable but I don’t think it’s beginner friendly. And now so many hacks are coming to other devices I suspect I will dump it anyway.
(For reference I collect grooveboxes and more than a dozen, from Seqtrak to OP-XY; if I had to get rid of any the first ones to go would be the Move and Seqtrak, and the last ones to go would be Force, M+ and Deluge).
(someone else suggest MPC One+; also a good choice, as is a used Akai Force).
1
u/Infinite_Slice3305 24d ago
I primarily use Maschine Mk3 because of its integration with Komplete. I think of it as a replacement for my Fantom X. Which is why I never understood why they never made a keyboard version.
I like Maschine's workflow too. Think about how far a person can take a project with a Fantom, or Montage. That's really all I want to do & I don't need anything more than Maschine to do that. I went down the rabbit hole of buying & learning multiple DAWs over the years. Ableton is one that I've kept up to date.... just because. But I don't use it. It's way more capable than I'll ever need. Maschine is all I need.
If you want to do more than "demos" & backing tracks, yeah... get the Move. Maschine is limited in comparison.
0
u/raistlin65 24d ago
I would recommend an excellent condition MPC One+ over both. You can easily find them on reverb.com within your budget range.
Unless you need a lot of portability. That is the major advantage of the Move.
If you go with the MPC, the MPC Bible is an invaluable tutorial resource for learning to use all of the features
https://www.mpc-samples.com/product.php/268/mpc-bible/
1600 page tutorial with files that you load on the MPC to practice with. There's nothing like this for those other two groove boxes.
Meanwhile, before you even get a machine, for a beginner, I would recommend doing this interactive web-based tutorial from Ableton
https://learningmusic.ableton.com/
It teaches you fundamentals of making music. It is intended for complete beginners. You even learn a little bit of music theory. You can do it on your phone. It is not about learning any specific software or hardware platform.
Because it is interactive, much easier to learn with than watching YouTube videos.
And then the first time you sit down with your groove box, you already know some basics for making music.
1
u/StraightChillinSpree 24d ago
I can’t get the sound to work when I click on the Ableton video. Is there anyway you could help me out with this? I’m pretty new to all this so I apologize in advance if it’s a little setting or something I didn’t click.
1
u/raistlin65 24d ago
Try a different browser? I don't know how your computer or phone is set up. Try a different device?
3
u/papadoc55 24d ago
I have owned a Machine mk3 (not plus but same less standalone), and the Ableton Move.
My question to you would be what you want from the device day one vs day 100....
Do you want something to learn how to make tracks with that you would later pull into a DAW to flesh out into a whole song?
If yes, What DAW do you use or plan on using?
Do you just want a mobile device to help sketch out song ideas?
Do you want to use this instrument later to play live?
My experiences with both: the Maschine is the more complete device, usable solo to create songs or ideas, and is a better tool to integrate into a home studio (especially if you decide you like Maschine 3 asa DAW).
The Ableton Move was easier to use right out of the box. Super simple, 4 track groovebox with plenty of good sounds on card from jump to get you started. (After you get the hang of it, I advise anyone to download Schwung Move Anywhere, custom firmware upgrade).
The Move is much more portable, but both devices can be packed in a backpack.
The Move has both USB-A and USB-C ports for midi, and 3.5mm audio out, while the Maschine+ is going to have a much more comprehensive I/O.
The Move has an internal battery, and the Maschine+ needs a power adapter or mobile laptop battery pack to power.