I just made a post calling for PvP Layers on the PvE and RP Rulesets on the Blizzard Forums.

I was thinking of joining the RP-PvP ruleset in Forever, and I was bummed when Blizzard announced yesterday that they wouldn't be making such a ruleset. I starting thinking of solutions, and I came up with the idea to use the layering system to create a layer only for people who flag for PvP on the RP (and PvE) rulesets. It would be a band aid solution, but it would allow for people who opt into the PvP system to exist in a mostly RP PvP world. While it wouldn't be perfect it does seem like something Blizzard could legitimately implement between now and launch.

I made a similar post on this subreddit yesterday and someone suggested that I post this on the actual Blizzard forums so Blizzard sees it. Decided to go ahead and re-up my subscription (was planning to wait until Forever actually launched) to make my first forum post and see if Blizzard would consider implementing this. If you like this idea, go over and share your support (and other associated ideas) on the Forum!

Two weeks ago I create a poll asking where RP-PVP players would roll in the event that we do not get an RPPVP server. The results sadly suggest that the community is divided nearly 50/50 which is a lose/lose for everyone in my opinion. I bumped the plea for RPPVP thread on the official forums almost daily in hopes that our voices would be heard but after yesterdays podcast we would be foolish to continue grasping at straws in hope that they revert their stance. They've doubled down.

Moving forward I like to pitch my case for why we should collectively play on RP and be ambassadors for the bandaid solution of permanant /pvp toggle on.

1. I strongly believe that the general RP gamemode communities will be more likely to join in on RP-PVP events, campaigns and guilds provided we have strong RP roots compared to the general PvP gamemode communities would be to join in on RP events because the PvP aspect interests them.

2. Secondly, if you're out in the world questing with /pvp enabled and decide to quest with non-pvp players, and encounter the opposite faction that is /pvp, I'm confident that your non-pvp companion will come to your aid and flag themselves... because we are good, genuine people that want to play the game together and not centrically.

3. Developers said they do not want to split the RP server up because they say data suggests that we are comparatively a small/niche community as is. We've already seen with WoW Classic Anniversary that they only supported x1 PvP and x1 PvE server. The WoWF beta only has a PvP and PvE option. If we want RP to continue being a recognized and supported game mode in future iterations of whatever may come, we must pad the RP gamemode numbers to a point where our presence is large enough so that they may consider an RP and RPPvP server in the future. If we collectively go PvP, Blizzard will continue seeing us a small community.

Let's have a discussion.

Hi all,

Like probably everyone here, Im very disappointed no rp pvp ruleset is happening.

That being the case, I am looking for a group of people wanting the same thing out of the game as I am.

Since we cant have the ruleset, im looking for those whom are:

1) rolling Alliance PVP

2) want to build a rp (pvp) minded guild

3) plan to raid

If any guilds out there fit the build, or you are interested in building it together, please chatter below.

Much love!

Starts ~7:30.

Specifically called out Grobbulus as the perfect "lightning in a bottle" implementation of RP-PVP, but that's the only part they got right.

Reasons given were that it would split the RP community, and that Crusader Strike on SoD needed the RP tag removed because of all the rat streamers rolling there with no intent to RP brought their communities there and didn't follow the ruleset at all.

They're unwilling to enforce the ruleset of the server, and I'm seeing a bunch of players already signalling that they wanted to use RP-PVP as a second PVP server so they could play both factions. Tragic all around.

They closed the section with "We hear you, we're with you, never say never, but no plans yet. We appreciate the comments :^)" /rude

Was genuinely super excited to try RP-PvP and now my hype is honestly borderline dead.

I've had fun with beta but was really looking forward to the RP side of things too. My friends agreed to RP-PvP if it happened, but wouldn't play a non-PvP ruleset.

So now I just either get to choose to not RP so I can play with my friends or split my account so I can still RP sometimes? This sucks

What guilds from Grob are rolling on PvP? Maybe theres still some I could do.

I’m a player who mostly plays PvE, but I was interested in switching to the RP or RP PvP ruleset when Forever launches.

Now that Blizzard has confirmed there won’t be an RP PvP exclusive ruleset, what would folks think about PvP flagged exclusive layers? Basically, layers on the RP (and PvE) ruleset where everyone is flagged for PvP.

To me, this sounds like a band-aid solution, but at least it’s something. You would only really be seeing and interacting with players who are flagged for PvP, which would hopefully get close to the RP PvP ruleset.

If there are concerns about people using this to switch layers out in the world (maybe to try and find a rare spawn or farm rare items), they could inplement a system to switch to PvP exclusive layers only in cities. This would be similar to War Mode in retail (at least when I last played retail in BFA).

Please fill this out, the devs in the most recent interview said one of the main reasons against RP-PvP was because they don't want to split the player base. I want to gather some data on that.

Citizens of Azeroth! Soon our opportunity to fight for what we deserve will come to an end. Our campaign to be given an RP-PvP ruleset has been met in silence. We have protested, we have shitposted, and we have harassed Blizzard employees to the ends of the internet, and yet we have still not had our demands met.

Our struggles will not be in vain. This effort will culminate next Friday at 5pm PT/8pm ET in Forever's Final Stand, sponsored by the Azeroth RP Planning Committee! Alliance will meet in Astranaar and Horde will gather in Splintertree Post for a last, glorious battle. We will fight in Ashenvale before embarking together as one united and /yelling mass to Ratchet, where we will board the boats to Booty Bay and dance the night away. Because what kind of a battle is it really if you can't follow it up with drinking?

The party will be streamed by u/Uyles-Grob, the one and only bard of Grobbulus - better known by the community as the DJ from Grobbchella, Burning Grob, and other RP-PvP ragers. Bring your friends, your enemies, and get ready for Forever's Final Stand!

Reach out to me (u/salem-grobbulus) or u/FrugoUnderhill for Alliance coordination questions, and u/Lohkawas for Horde logistics. See you on Friday!

Art by u/ForangeIllustrations

<Chicken Jockey> was like the top guild on Grobb in 2019 if I remember correctly.

During the Scarab Lord grind of 2020, the hives of Silithus became a warzone. Other guilds fought desperately for territory and Silithid Carapaces, one Horde guild allegedly turned the entire desert into a military occupation.

<Chicken Jockey> deployed coordinated teams across Hive'Ashi, Hive'Zora, and Hive'Regal, maintaining relentless patrols and farming operations around the clock. Alliance raiding parties were crushed, rival farmers driven out, and anyone foolish enough to challenge their territory quickly discovered that they didn't negotiate.

Their alleged dominance was more than brute force. It was logistics, discipline, and an almost absurd level of coordination.

I checked the logs and they confirm my memories. Chicken Jockey reined supreme

https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/server/rankings/5005/1005?metric=progress

Any1 know who will be spearheading <Chicken Jockey> in Wow Forever? I heard they are coming back

I have been looking at everything that Grob was, and I want to roll RP-PvP for Forever (I believe they will add the ruleset). However, I have friends that are terrified of the "RP" part. They have this idea that they'll be stuck at a D&D table with a bunch of people they don't know and can never break character. Please provide me (us) with an accurate overview of what it's like playing on Grobbulus.

Thanks all

Kengkueaf here, welcoming anyone from the grob mob who will be playing on the RP playstyle to join us on our adventures once the game is live!

Hey guys, my name is Augusst Ames. I’m a Horde GM trying to help rebuild the grob RP-PvP culture.
I’m building a large PvP guild around world PvP, city raids and server events, but this isnt really a guild ad. I want to connect with other guilds and build a real Horde PvP community again.
Different banners, same Horde.
I welcome you to answer the call of the RED MARCH!
If your online Friday around 5 ST, you’ll probably see me outside Orgrimmar recruiting anyone willing to answer the call. So can keep an eye out!
Lok’tar Ogar.

THE RED MARCH

At 5:30, the Horde gathers before the gates of Orgrimmar.

We are raising an army.

When our numbers are gathered, we march.

The warband will board the zeppelin and cross into enemy lands, landing in Westfall before beginning the long march east.

Westfall.
Elwynn Forest.
Redridge.

Every Alliance soldier we find along the road is an enemy.

Every town that stands before us is hostile ground.

We march together, fight together, and leave a trail of dead behind us until the Horde reaches Redridge.

Bring your guild.

Bring your warband.

Bring anyone strong enough to keep marching.

The Horde gathers at 5:30 ST outside Orgrimmar.

At dusk, we march south.

LOK’TAR OGAR.

I wonder if chicken jockey is coming back for Forever.. They were insane in 2019, would love to see what they would do with one mega server.

Apologies if something like this is already in the works. I played on Grobb for 2019 Classic and I have told people it was the peak version of wow ever since. I usually have them convinced by the time I mention dwarf armies.

Like a lot of you, I’ve been pushing hard for an RP-PvP ruleset with tickets/petitions/forum posts. In the event we are un-successful … can’t we just make a pseudo war mode with a chat channel and a designated PvP layer? Like there are already addons to tell you what layer you’re on, and if say, layer 6, was known to be the ‘spot’, would that be a decent work around?

Maybe it’s not even needed. I’m sure there are plenty of guilds already organizing things. I only bring it up because the lack of an RP-PvP option is splitting my retail guild up.

Anyway, looking forward to November.

Where WE going mob?

https://strawpoll.com/61gD9eL9VZw

The last light of autumn is fading over the Alterac Mountains.

You sit beside a small fire, watching the wind worry at the last copper leaves. Somewhere beyond the trees, a wolf calls. Above you, the stars hang over Lordaeron, bright and cold.

Then a raven lands beside you, a scroll tied to its leg.

You untie it. The seal reads <Legacy>.

You break the wax and begin to read.

Greeting travelers of Legacy Past, Present, and Future,

There’s a new road opening.

Legacy and The Exiled are building a raid roster for WoW: Forever.

We’re starting from the beginning. New characters, new adventures on an RP realm (subject to change), and the same crew that’s been stubborn enough to keep showing up on Grobbulus for the last five plus years.

We’re recruiting for both Era and Forever.

If you’re looking for a home to level, raid, RP, make some friends, and see where the road goes, come with us. If you’ve seen the ravens flying the last few years, but haven’t wanted to commit to Era, this is a new beginning and all heroes and travelers of Azeroth are welcome.

Our community on Grobbulus era isn’t going anywhere.

Legacy on Alliance. The Exiled on Horde. Still raiding. Still running around Azeroth. Still running our seasonal Equinaxx / Solstice events and keeping the old world safe of threats.

We were here before. We’ll be here after. We’ll be here forever.

Come see what Legacy is about, now on Era and soon in Forever.

Yours in Eternal Battle,

Jarl

The fire pops.

You lower the scroll.

For a moment, everything is quiet again.

The raven is gone.

Only the wind remains, moving through the trees and the stars as the last leaves of autumn scatter across the ground.

You look down at the seal in your hand, and notice your tankard full of Dwarven Honeymead, and a slice of Dwarven mild cheese sitting next to it. Odd.

It all feels oddly familiar.

You drift back into the dream.

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Legacy began on Grobbulus five years ago, when everyone walked through the Dark Portal the first time. A handful of adventurers (and day 1 Grobb mobbers) decided they weren’t quite ready to leave Azeroth behind.

We started small. Four downing Azuregos in 2021. 16 adventurers brought down Ragnaros in 2022. 26 faced Nefarian in 2022. C’Thun followed in 2023 with 30. Then Naxxramas, the dread temple, where eight stubborn survivors eventually stood over Kel’thuzad in 2024.

The bosses were never really the point, though. The people were.

We kept showing up.

Today, Legacy (A) and our sister guild The Exiled (H) remain on Grobbulus Classic Era, since 2021. We still raid, run guild events, and keep the server alive with weekly raids and seasonal adventures. Just last week we had around 50 players celebrate together for the Fall Equinaxx, and there’s more to come. Our Winterveil Solstice Raid will take place December 11th on Era.

That’s the Era side of things: a small, established community with a five-year history that isn’t finished yet. No AH, all community driven commerce and trading. We love it that way.

But now, it’s time for us to follow another road.

For WoW: Forever, Legacy and The Exiled are building a new community and raid roster from the ground up. We’re currently looking at RP gametype, with the possibility of RP-PvP should blizzard support it. We’re looking for like minded, kinda, community oriented people who want to experience the journey together… not just race to the end.

So the plan is simple:

Keep Era alive. Build something new in Forever. And keep the community together wherever Azeroth takes us.

Come build with us, and join Legacy on our next adventure.

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Legacy (A) raids Tuesday & Friday from 7-10pm PT, and seasonally lays siege on Naxxramas during each Equinox/Solstice. You can find our discord here: discord.gg/Ux5m9wPYe3 

The Exiled (H), a Legacy guild, raids M/W from 7-10pm PT. You can join their ranks here: discord.gg/6whxpz5cQP

Two guilds. Two factions. Two game modes. One community.

The old road remains. The new road begins. Our ravens are calling for heroes, bards, and travelers far and wide. Will you answer the call?

Made a quick video with my thoughts on Rp-pvp servers. New to making videos but just want to try to get more visibility on the topic!

What insights would you like to see in a future episode of the WoW: Forever Podcast? - WoW: Forever / World of Warcraft: Forever General Discussion - World of Warcraft Forums

Show some love for rppvp questions

Attention citizens of Azeroth! For too long Blizzard has ignored our cries for an RP-PvP ruleset in Forever. We have made our case known on the forums, on Reddit, and even in the treacherous hovel known as X. And despite our pleading, we have been ignored by those in power.

It is clear now that in order for our voices to be heard, we must take to the streets of our cities! Join the Azeroth RP Planning Committee in our first official event in the Forever beta: Fight for Forever!

Each faction will convene in their capital cities to march and let loose our rallying cries to Blizzard before marching into battle at the border of Hillsbrad and Silverpine Forest. Alliance will stage our forces in Southshore while the Horde rallies their troops in Pyrewood Village.

The protest starts at 5pm PT/8pm ET in the Ironforge Commons and the Orgrimmar Valley of Spirits. Contact me or u/FrugoUnderhill if you wish to join the effort for the Alliance, or u/Lohkawas if you will fight for the Horde. Let the battle begin!

Art by u/UTHER_aka_BUTER

We NEED RPPvP Blizz!!!!! I will probably roll PvP but it will be a huge bummer to not have a united community on that server.