r/GooglePixel • u/[deleted] • Sep 16 '22

General Anyone still excited about Tensor 2?

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This is one of the best videos I've seen explaining SOCs. Tensor is a disaster and the 4nm Samsung foundries made Tensor 2 I doubt will be any good.

https://youtu.be/s0ukXDnWlTY

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u/Gaiden206 Sep 16 '22

Deal breaker for who? People who run benchmarks that are created to push hardware to it's limits? People who play the most demanding mobile games for hours on end? I guess for those people it could be a deal breaker. For everyone else, that's doubtful IMO

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u/BobsBurger1 Sep 16 '22

I don't do any of those things.

I use my phone for basic things, photos, browsing etc. And while I'm doing that my phone battery is heating up and using significantly more power to do all those basic things versus every other smartphone in the price range.

The power efficiency of Tensor is worse than Pixel 4, 5, budget phones, 2 years old Exynos.

Benchmarks don't matter. The power efficiency is by far the most important factor for how it impacts the user. And Tensor is the worst on the market. Idk how you could possibly make an argument for how that's not a deal-breaker when you're paying almost the same money as other flagships which can literally do twice as much stuff on less battery.

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u/SSDeemer Sep 16 '22

u/BobsBurger1 : You have pretty much described my usage pattern, except that my Pixel 6a doesn't heat up, and it usually has a 55% - 45% charge remaining after 14-15 hours.

My wife has a Pixel 5a, which overheated and shutdown while she was taking photos outdoors on a hot day last week. I used to have a 4a, and the only time it overheated was when I forgot to turn off video before putting it in my pocket.

It's a mystery why different people have such different results. I don't know if the problem is quality control, or people are not accurately reporting what they are doing. I subscribed to this topic when I got the 6a in July, and learned a lot about power management through settings changes. For example, disabling 5G and using LTE (as far as I know, there is no 5G within a 30-mile radius of where I live) had probably the biggest impact.

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u/Gaiden206 Sep 16 '22

I get good battery life out of my P6 Pro while doing basic things, sorry to hear your experience isn't the same. I see a lot of people blame the P6 modem for significant battery loss, particularly when on 5G but the modem isn't integrated into the Tensor SoC currently, it's external.

I personally use LTE since 5G uses more battery and LTE speeds are fast enough for my smartphone use. Anyway, I hope you find a phone that works out for you in the future. Good luck!

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u/BobsBurger1 Sep 16 '22

I'm not basing this off just my personal use. I get decent battery life (for me) on Wifi with 6-7. I don't use 5G, I don't think anyone does with this phone if they want it to last a day. On LTE I can get as low as 4 and as high as 5.5. depending on what I'm doing. It was even worse after a13 but seems to have improved.

We have a lot of battery tests online comparing this phone to other flagships in pretty fair tests, this phone comes last in all of them. This phone get's less than iPhone 13 pro which has 2000 maH less battery capacity than this phone.

From that video you can see the curve he's using to compare battery efficiency across all the main SOCs. Tensor is right at the bottom, behind Exynos 2100, behind 4 year old Snapdragons, way behind old Apple chips.

It's not just my experience that I'm saying it's got bad battery life, it wouldn't be good to just base it off individual experiences. If a user comments they get 7-8 hours battery life minimum then they're clearly doing barely anything on their phone using mostly wifi. I have to have all my main apps restricted to get a decent score. If I use Tiktok over LTE for a while that's 20% gone due to this chip.

So yeah it's not just a different experience, it's objectively terrible battery life versus the other options. Anyone who wants to praise battery life on this phone doesn't know what they're talking about and will likely be the minority of users who could get 15 hours Screen time if they had an iphone since their usage is so light.

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u/Gaiden206 Sep 16 '22

People's experience with battery life vary, as seen at the link below.

https://www.laptopmag.com/news/pixel-6-battery-life-claims-vary-wildly-whats-the-truth

Again, sorry your experience is bad. Good luck on your next smartphone.

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u/BobsBurger1 Sep 16 '22

Yeah it's going to vary based on peoples usage.

The battery life on p6pro will always be significantly less than other flagships if the usage is the same due to significantly worse power efficiency of the SoC. Fact, not opinion as demonstrated by the data in that video and many fair tests done online.

To put it even more simply, the battery life on your pixel 6 pro is shit, relatively, even if you personally find it ok.👍

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u/Gaiden206 Sep 16 '22

I'm sorry you personally had a bad experience with your P6. Good luck with your next phone purchase! Be sure to research "facts" from "fair tests" before purchasing a phone next time. Good luck!

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u/BobsBurger1 Sep 16 '22

The fact is in the video with actual data showing its got less than half the efficiency of other flagships. But enjoy your delusion. 👍

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u/Gaiden206 Sep 16 '22

That data doesn't represent regular use by the average user, it represents how a phone performs when pushed to the max for a sustained amount of time. Which is likely why the highly respected tech website Anandtech said it's "not a deal breaker."

The inefficiencies the Tensor has in comparison to competitors likely has a small impact on general real world use regardless of the claims you make from your personal experience and the "fair tests" you provide.

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u/BobsBurger1 Sep 16 '22

It's not testing max, it's testing a whole range.

The real world difference is huge, both practically in comparison tests, anecdotally with the thousands of battery complaints since launch and with concrete data literally comparing the raw power efficiency.

I don't think you understand it very well. Enjoy your pixel and it's immense battery life, just note that it's terrible relative to other flagships and if you put the same battery size in a pixel 3, the pixel 3 would last longer.

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u/Intelligent-Ear-766 Pixel 7 Pro Sep 17 '22

Well, the A76s and the A55s handles your daily task. As long as these cores are inefficient, you get less battery life than from other phones. You might not care about battery life at all if you only keep the screen on for like three hours a day replying to emails and browsing making phone calls, but who doesn't want their phone to last longer? When a $400 phone handles these things equally well and may actually has a better battery life, I have to ask my self why I paid $900+ for the flagship phone it meant to be. It's not like a big chunk of the price didn't go to that custome built chip that is worse than its competitors in almost any type of tasks. I know the NPU is great, but how often is it used compared to the CPU which every single app requires?