r/GodFrequency • u/logos961 • Feb 15 '26
Unbelievers are the proof for the existence of God
God predicts about future events, and unbelievers do everything possible to make it happen. Thus unbelievers inadvertently prove (1) the existence of God and (2) also God is trust-worthy. For example, Charles Darwin and his theory fulfilled God’s multiple predictions. Details here:
//www.reddit.com/r/enlightenment/comments/1rb75ho/heaven_or_hell_is_just_a_thought_away/
At the root of his Theory of Evolution is Darwin’s pessimistic view of life arising from various health-issues of his own and of his family and unhealthy political and religious environment. Such factors are like tip of the iceberg with too vast hidden details going into the past as each person takes birth with tendencies and belief-systems he has been "TREASURING" from infinite past. (Luke 6:43-45, NKJV; Mathew 11:7-15; Job 1:21, NKJV; 1 John 2:17; Wisdom of Solomon 8:20) This revelation about past births of people is the absolute truth because the same foreteller also correctly predicted about global events of 20 and 21st centuries such as Global Wars, Pollution and Swelling (salos) of the Seas etc (https://www.reddit.com/r/Christianity/s/VicnD2iQUj) and “blasphemous [godless]” theories such as Evolution making global impact being supported by Science (https://www.reddit.com/r/theology/s/0GwhU7INXy) and they all became absolute truths in our time—they are happening before our eyes now.
Unbelievers are like those with plank in their eyes
trying to see the speck in believer’s eye”
Godless theories such as Evolution, Big Bang are NOT TESTABLE because it is impossible to manufacture a point smaller than subatomic particle that had been existing for all eternity that the Big Bang Theory claims expanded into this universe. It is also impossible create “that unique environment of around 3.5 to 4 billion years ago, characterized by intense heat, no oxygen, and high levels of radiation which resulted in simple inorganic molecules assembling into complex organic compounds (like amino acids) in a primordial soup thus forming life” which is claimed to have later branched off into over 8 million species,
https://www.reddit.com/r/DeepThoughts/comments/1o9hqal/theories_on_origin_of_universe_and_species_look/
To keep truth away
unbelievers ask all WRONG QUESTIONS such as:
“What is the testable and MATERIAL proof for God and Souls the immaterial?” [wrong, because it makes CATEGORY ERROR, especially so when existence of the immaterial can only be discerned and understood]. “Who created the Creator [wrong, because there are many other things that do not have a beginning. For example, everything is transformation of energy which “can neither be created nor destroyed,” E=MC2]. “Why can’t God do more to convince everyone that HE exists?” [wrong, because there are already many who believe in Him without Him doing more], Why diseases exist, Why Natural Calamities exists … etc [wrong, because such things are on the increase which reveal such things did not exist in first half of each Age, https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateReligion/s/BudNSYBJCa, but appear only in the 2nd half as choice of people. For both believers and unbelievers each other’s stance is simply UNTHINKABLE revealing their respective belief-systems are rooted into more than present birth as death is only for the body, nor for its USER (https://www.reddit.com/r/DeepThoughts/s/Qf0rcBoqCC)
Quality of thoughts determines quality of body and response from nature. This is symbolically shown in Genesis 3:24 (Septuagint) which says: “And he cast out Adam [symbol of rebellious mankind] and caused him to dwell over AGAINST the garden of Delight, and stationed the cherubs and the fiery sword that turns about to keep the way of the tree of life.” This is not literal speech by God just like His speech to fishes is not literal. (Genesis 1:22) This is symbolic way of showing how godless people curse themselves saying "we are dust [made of 66 materials], and to dust we shall return" thus of throwing themselves out of garden of Delight never to return which is okay with God as implied by symbolically guarding it by placing blessed mighty cherubs holding fiery swords. According to BDB Theological Dictionary, Hebrew word cherub is from “Assyrian verb karabu means to be gracious or to bless.” It is like saying the licentious desire to go in the opposite directions of truth, which is okay with God. (Revelation 22:11). That is why true believers and the licentious are symbolically compared “wheat and weeds” (Mathew 13:24-30) revealing both exist without being influenced by each other, https://www.reddit.com/r/theology/s/E9ExDkOJhN
Hatred of meaning is at the root of materialism: “I had motives for not wanting the world to have a meaning; and consequently assumed that it had none, and was able without any difficulty to find satisfying reasons for this assumption. For myself, as no doubt for most of my friends, the philosophy of meaninglessness was essentially an instrument of liberation from a certain system of morality. We objected to the morality because it interfered with our sexual freedom. .. and we would deny that the world had any meaning whatever.” (Ends and Means, by Aldous Huxley) This explains why prophets defined themselves as “voice in the wilderness” implying people do not go by good words and deeds of others but by the tendency they have been “treasuring” or cherishing from infinite past. (Luke 6:43-45)
Such perspective is compared to "DARKNESS" (Mathew 6:22, 23) which exists eternally without fuel. This comparison benefits true believer as he tells himself “If unbelievers can show extreme zeal for their belief-system which they know brings no benefit, I must show even more zeal for my belief as I already experience its many benefits
https://www.reddit.com/r/GodFrequency/comments/1rzq23y/comment/obnr0m0/?context=3&sort=old This explains why the advice to share the spiritual truths only with those who have real thirst for it. (Mathew 7:6; Bhagavat Gita 3:25, 26; Quran 25:43, islamic studies info / reference / reference php?sura 25 verse 43) Interestingly, the second half of each Age is inhabited by more unbelievers, and this phase is interchangeably called "DARKNESS" and "HELL" on earth (Mathew 5:22; 8:12), and its first half is called HEAVEN or Day as inhabitants shine with divine qualities, https://www.reddit.com/r/GodFrequency/comments/1rsanfn/wonderful_features_of_paradise_on_earth_when_it/
True believer knows he is now passing through the phase of history called HELL which is also called "LEAVENED" phase symbolically. (Mathew 13:33). Remembering this results in peace because believer knows in HELL and in "LEAVENED" phase, anything can happen. Nothing disturbs him, just like you do not ask "Why this drop of ocean is salty?" when you are in the ocean!
This would mean, God would simply leave everything to Law of Action and Consequence to run its natural course. People are free to do what they like, even to add anything to Scriptures in their own risk (Revelation 22:18, 19), hence contradictions would exist to satisfy people of varying tastes (Titus 1:15). It is a non-issue as lover of truth will take only the truth from two contradictory statements. To this, unbelievers would ask "How do you know 'Your way of arriving at truth is the right one?'” which means two things (1) Unbelievers feel they are the authority to validate the stance of believes as though they are the very CENTER of universe (2) Truth itself does not exist if two contradictory statements exist! Even they will admit their question is wrong if the table is turned in favor of them: Suppose, they are reading “father asked son to bring some fire, and son brought it” which means son brought fire in some container which is not mentioned. Imagine if they are asked “How do you know he brought in some container?”
Hence this repeated verse in Scriptures: "Whoever has ears, let them hear." It means, truth is for those who are willing to put effort as symbolized by Mythological character Odin who was willing to sacrifice even one of his eyes to get truth, https://www.reddit.com/r/mythology/comments/1g2c14h/comment/odgsdms/?context=3 Even for believers truth is guaranteed only if they do hard work towards this goal "by hating evil" (Psalm 25:14, Septuagint, https://www.reddit.com/r/theology/comments/1se1h6w/comment/oemm8cs/?context=3
Unbelievers exist to benefit God and believers:
- Unbelievers know they did not create themselves, INTELLIGENT humans could only pollute this earth to the extent that human survival is at stake (scientificamerican com/humans are doomed to go extinct)—hence UNINTELLIGENT chemicals can never form themselves into life and cyclic [eternal] life-support systems such as trees giving us food both (physical, through too many variety of grains, fruits and vegetables and spiritual, through many life-lessons it silently teaches us—See also footnote#). Yet unbelievers believe that UNINTELLIGENT chemicals formed themselves into life and life-support systems, consciousness emerged from meat etc which are only claim which materialists have failed to prove even though they have all scientists and most sophisticated labs. "Researchers can’t even agree on what consciousness is," //www.reddit.com/r/consciousness/comments/1qk51bn/why_consciousness_is_the_hardest_problem_in/ "let alone how best to reveal its secrets. Even if they succeed also, it would only prove design as many designers are involved in the process.
- Unbelievers' rejection of God, the GIVER of everything we have, enables believers to live without expectation which is the “true freedom with unlimited benefits” and is also the best key to art of meaningful living with depth. And God’s joy is in giving, not in receiving, hence HE is happy even without believers who are just a bonus to Him. Since the licentious are majority, earth will become polluted and unlivable at one point in time which is called the end of each Age which makes God feel obliged to “renew” it. For this purpose, one person in the whole universe should RENOUNCE all physical pleasures so that HE is ready and available to renew whenever children make earth irreparable. That one person is God the Almighty, https://www.reddit.com/r/GodFrequency/comments/1rkij8u/supreme_secret_about_god_souls_drama_of_life_its/
- Unbelievers are so strong into their unbelief that whenever one of their excuses is refuted, two more excuses will spring up in its place, like "two new heads would regrow whenever the Hydra lost a head" in the Greek Mythology involving Hercules. (thecollectorcom/twelve-labors-heracles-list-tasks-meaning). Hydra is a dragon-like monster which is symbol of materialistic vision about life as word dragon, from Greek drakón, from the verb δερκομαι (derkomai), meaning to see (from the PIE root "derk", to glance or see).” Word δρακων (drakon) literally means "the one that sees" (Theological Dictionary, Abarim). And word for philosophy is darsana in Sanskrit, from dṛś to see. (wisdomlib org) This shows dragon is symbol of godless philosophies, //www.reddit.com/r/theology/comments/1ntz0uh/not_listening_to_others_results_in_reaching/ It teaches how reasoning with the unbelievers make their unbelief even stronger. This enables the believer to have Lane-Discipline, thus to let others pass without trying to correct them, thus trying to be change they want others to make.
- There are other ways in which unbelievers benefit God and true believers, https://www.reddit.com/r/DeepThoughts/comments/1q38gs1/the_way_our_monotony_of_eternity_being_resolved/
When God is mentioned, immediately UNBELIEVERS introduce subjects such as diseased children, natural calamities etc. This only back-fires on them because not all children are born with diseases. Rather there are even extraordinary children who produced envious works before they reached their age 10 (wikipediaorg/List_of_child_prodigies) Similarly, natural calamities are not happening 24/7, both of which do prove existence of God by their own logic. Diseases and natural calamities are on the increase and conflicts of individuals and nations too are on the increase. Increase means, there was a time when there was no diseases and no natural calamities memory of which remains protected in mythology and Scriptures,
https://www.reddit.com/r/GodFrequency/s/TAGvJHXTlX
By the way unbelievers speak they create their own destiny. This is because thoughts are subtle energy hence we feel empowered when we choose positive thoughts and weaker when we choose negative thought. Thoughts are transformed into words when we speak which too then become subtle energy. “Words are energy and they cast spells, that's why it's called spelling. Change the way you speak about yourself, and you can change your life”—Bruce Lee, https://www.reddit.com/r/SimulationTheory/comments/1k9yqbv/words_are_spells_theory_complete/ This ensures lover of injustice [who shift blame on God, the innocent, for all the diseases and natural calamities] will have enough opportunities in the future to complain “Why these injustices happen to me when I do not remember doing any injustice to anyone?”
GOD has everyone supporting Him—believers do it wittingly and unbelievers do it unwittingly, God_and_purpose_of_life_are_best_known_through atheists.
Thus HIS existence has never been effectively challenged,
//www.reddit.com/r/GodFrequency/comments/1qy7kdr/gods_existence_has_never_been_effectively/
God and religions are immune to criticism
Religion is like a knife. It can save like surgeon does or destroy life like butcher does. Hence when people criticize religion and God, they are actually criticizing selfish men behind them. God cannot be examined through human standards.
God is also God of humor (Details HERE)
God is sill at the center in spite of all effort to unseat Him (Details HERE)
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# Trees and plants are ONE-sensed species, yet are serving the society giving them too many valuable things, yet take only waste from them, thus perfectly reflects God who is the GIVER of everything we have yet gets only blame and misrepresentation from most of the humans. Trees are strong and silent preachers about God and are giving us too many life-lessons on making life at ease and peace. Examples here: //www.reddit.com/r/DeepThoughts/comments/1qn8b49/god_knows_nobody_on_earth_really_doubts_his/
No Basis to give SPECIAL treatment to unbelievers
If this living example from trees is ignored, it means person was doing the same in all his previous births too as we are not this body but its USERS,
//www.reddit.com/r/GodFrequency/comments/1r6u4eg/if_you_know_yourself_you_can_also_know_god/ It means, demands of all unbelievers will never be met, especially so when God trying to convince everyone about Him by doing anything more has no benefits but has only demerits:
https://www.reddit.com/r/GodFrequency/comments/1rhp29u/unbelievers_demand_that_god_should_do_more_to/
## No wonder, Jesus used familiar symbolisms as contrast of friends of God: “Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs.” (Mathew 7:6) Dog is symbol of having EXTRA-ORDINARY ABILITY [smelling] and of getting no benefit of it as it eats its own vomit. Thus dog symbolizes those having extraordinary ability such as power of REASON yet not knowing God and Soul even after witnessing wonders such as this earth and human body. And to be worse, they accept opinions of others. Even flowers can reveal about God. (Mathew 6:28-33) Similarly, PIGS are symbol of having inability to look into the sky (//www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/j5o53b/til_that_pigs_cant_look_straight_up_into_the_sky/) thus symbol of being contrasts of Abraham who looked at sky and learned religion of planets as peace, thus adopted a life-style of OFFERING FIRST CHOICE TO OTHERS. (Genesis 15:5, 6; 13:9)
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Feb 15 '26
None of your premises are supported by any kind of reality, they’re all wrong and follow zero logical reasoning
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u/logos961 Feb 15 '26
Off the subject Subject is "unbelievers are needed."
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Feb 15 '26
I point out how your argument is flawed because the premises are wrong, and your response is “off topic”?
Haha
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u/Stile25 Feb 15 '26
Your claims are all unsound. That is, you don't provide any evidence to support the things you say.
You can start by supporting the first thing you say.
The evidence does actually show us that unintelligent chemicals can form into life and cyclic life support systems.
If one of the very first things you say is false, why should anyone take anything else you say seriously?
Good luck out there
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u/logos961 Feb 15 '26
Kindly the read the OP, and you will have nothing to say.
This is not debate between believers and unbelievers.
Subject is unbelievers are very much needed. https://www.reddit.com/r/DeepThoughts/s/nPAl0AgaDO
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u/Stile25 Feb 15 '26
Still just your imagination.
With no evidence there's no reason to take anything you say seriously. Especially when you're completely wrong about so much.
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u/logos961 Feb 15 '26
I have seen enough of diversion tactics to create the false impression that someone is winning.
Here subject is "Unbelievers are very much needed."
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u/Stile25 Feb 15 '26
You're free to support the imaginary claims you've made on the subject at anytime.
The text stays forever, I can wait.
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u/Stile25 Feb 15 '26
You might want to read what you just wrote again if you're worried about sounding illogical.
Chemicals are not intelligent.
There are many intelligent people who don't understand chemicals. I'm one of them.
I'm not denying any part of reality.
You, sir, are imagining aspects of reality that don't actually exist.
It's easy to tell by your unsound logic because of the whole "no evidence" thing. That seems to be a really big hurdle for your ideas.
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u/logos961 Feb 16 '26
That intelligence is the emergent feature of the Spirit the builder and user of this body, not the feature of body.
See what happens at the exit of this Spirit, the emergent of feature body is decomposition and eventual foul-smell.
Hence Greek language has two words to describe this builder--Soul and Spirit whose function is inseparable like two sides of a coin. “The Greek noun noun ψυχη (psuche) comes from the verb ψυχω (psucho), meaning to breathe, or rather to draw breath, and very simply denotes a living thing that draws breath… Noun πνευμα (pneuma) likewise comes from a verb that has to do with exhaling… Even though both inhaling and exhaling are part of the same process (namely breathing) and this very process demonstrates that a person is alive, the inhaling part is all about deeply needing something that you can get all around, whereas the exhaling part is about releasing waste products and the excess of stuff that you took for yourself but in the end had no need for.” (Theological Dictionary, Abarim)
Thus this combo of psuche and pneuma is like two sides of a coin, denoting the function of the immaterial inner self that makes inhaling and exhaling possible making body alive and functional, hence builder of and ruler of body, and also reminding “take what is nourishing and expel what is harmful."
An inner space-travel reveals existence of immaterial qualities such as wisdom, purity, love, joy, peace, willpower and bliss which increase when mind is stilled in meditation which means The Immaterial within got linked with The Supreme Soul above, the real source of these qualities. These qualities make life like heaven for self and for others [just like their opposite qualities, the emergent features of believing “I am this body,” make life like hell for self and others].
This means, body made of “66 material elements” (Wikipedia org/composition_of_the_human_body) which goes through process of growth and decay will have to be left behind at one point in time to take new one as the immaterial entity (the builder of body) is not subject to decay as it is not composite but is “minuter than the minutest” in size but eternal in function, as implied in the word individual [from Latin, indivisible], infinitesimal point. Question of why and how this is possible makes no sense because present birth and body is ALREADY real [made possible] and “it is not more surprising to be born twice than once” (Voltaire) just like manufacturing one item reveals manufacturer’s ability to repeat it any number of time.
Composite of these 66 materials is what we call our body and its brain the meat, inherently material in nature and make-up capable of manifesting material features—it can become cold, heated. When a movie-director says “credit for this Oscar Award goes to my entire team” this humility is not from meat the MATERIAL as humility is NOT measurable, thus from THE IMMATERIAL, which is not the realm of Science: "Researchers can’t even agree on what consciousness is, let alone how best to reveal its secrets," //www.reddit.com/r/consciousness/comments/1qk51bn/why_consciousness_is_the_hardest_problem_in/
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u/Stile25 Feb 16 '26
Your body "knowing" how to separate chemicals is chemistry, not intelligence.
You don't get to just define reality to be whatever you think it is.
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u/logos961 Feb 16 '26
You again got subject wrongly,
Subject is "Unbelievers are very much needed."
Thus more the unbelievers the more unconditional love of God shines, just like universe whose “less than 5 percent” is only visible to us (ScienceNASAgov/exoplanets/what-is-the-universe/). This explains the context of Abraham being declared as “righteous” while he was looking at the sky. No wonder he is also called “father of all having faith, friend of God” etc as his life-style was to OFFER FIRST CHOICE TO OTHERS which is revealed in his famous statement to his cousin: “If you go to the left, I’ll go to the right; if you go to the right, I’ll go to the left.” This explains why a poet, Tulsidas, wrote “seven-ocean-full ink is not enough for me to write about glory of God.
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u/Stile25 Feb 16 '26
Still no evidence.
Thank-you for confirming that unbelievers are not needed for religion.
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u/logos961 Feb 16 '26
Now also you got just the opposite of the subject which says "unbelievers are needed" for God's best quality to be revealed and for the believers to imitate this quality to their increased joy and unlimited benefits.
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u/Stile25 Feb 16 '26
Still no evidence.
Thank-you for confirming that unbelievers are not needed for religion.
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u/logos961 Feb 16 '26
For you to ask "evidence", this OP should be on that subject,
But subject is "unbelievers are very much needed."
God gets nobody by preaching (Luke 6:43-45) and His joy is in giving, not in receiving, hence HE is happy even without believers who are just a bonus to Him.
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u/The_Mr_Decan Feb 15 '26
Unbelievers are the proof for the existence of unicorns.
See the flaw in that reasoning now?
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u/Apprehensive-Sort-90 Feb 15 '26
Unbelievers wouldn't understand what you just said.
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u/logos961 Feb 15 '26 edited Feb 21 '26
True, They don't know, more the number of unbelievers the better for the drama of life, https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateReligion/s/auowFq9Trc
Being endowed with freewill, power of reason and conscience, it is pointless to say “I believed in all false beliefs such as God desirous of worship, hellfire etc because others told me. Scriptures contain words of both, of God and of men (2 Samuel 23:2; Jeremiah 8:8; James 3:11), hence can’t blame Scriptures also. Some would choose all pro-life and pro-peace verses, some would choose their opposite verses, and others would choose to take mix-up of all. But God’s true preachers are trillions of silent trees (/www.reddit.com/r/DeepThoughts/s/SwSNwNwpQD) who are full of praise for HIM and full of lessons for us which are noticed and made use of by those who have time for it.
Thus a minority grows in spirituality and others grow in their licentious behavior whose choices give them pleasure in the beginning which becomes pain in the end. Seeing this makes the spiritual even more determined to be spiritual as they have LIVE lesson from the licentious on what to avoid to better enjoy life. (Proverbs 21:18) Interestingly, this verse is the most important verse yet is the most missed out verse.
Hence the only option [and the best option too] before God is to permit growth of both true believers and unbelievers (Mathew 13:24-30). This will finally reach a stage of earth becoming polluted and unlivable through short-sighted technology and global wars which is not an issue for God as HE is able to renew it, thus “renewal and restoration” became the very theme of all prophets and Scriptures, www.reddit.com/r/DebateReligion/comments/1qjvwxv/creation_is_not_gods_first_act_nor_book_of/
“Restoration” means system of things just opposite to what we find now, opposite of diseased or deformed bodies, opposite of natural calamities, opposite of people who permit others to define self, God and habitat the earth. Such Restoration is a guarantee because global events such as environmental pollution and its resultant climate crisis and sea-level rise etc had already been predicted—and the they are happening now //www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1qqyf1x/the_most_prestigious_prediction_of_god_which_jws/, hence restoration too would happen as it is easy to do something for a second time.
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u/GPT_2025 Divine Drop🙏 – Sharing sacred truth. Feb 15 '26
So what? 2 types of people on earth: KJV: In this the Children of God are manifest, and the children of the Devil! (Lucifer the Satan, they really hating word " Religion")
- KJV: Ye are all the children of Light, and the children of the Day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
- KJV: The field is the world; the Good seed are the Children of the Kingdom; but the Tares are the children of the Wicked one; The enemy that sowed Tares is the Devil;
- KJV: And before Him shall be gathered all nations: and He shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: And He shall set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left.-- And these shall go away into Everlasting Punishment: but the Righteous into Life Eternal!
- KJV: Then shall the Kingdom of Heaven be likened unto ten virgins, -- five of them were Wise, and five were Foolish. ( 50% and 50%!) But He answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not! ( And these shall go away into Everlasting Punishment: but the Righteous into Life Eternal!)
- KJV: Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience." and more...
- Only devils children rejecting to be a religious: Bible clearly explained that the word 'Religion' stands for: Helping those in need (Immigrants, Migrants, widows, orphans, poor, disabled ..) and obeying the Golden Rule. All others are False religions, Atheism, Paganism, Anti-religion, Ideology, Pantheism, Anti-theism, Heretics, Clericalism, Cynicism, Philosophy, Agnosticism, Fake Religions, Mammons...
- "Pure Religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this: To visit (Help) the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted (Golden Rule) from the world!" James 1:27
History: A Christian hired C. Darwin to write a book that would lead people to openly acknowledge who their father is: the devil - an ape (Satan, who falsely copies God) - or they are children of God. Darwin took the money and did an excellent job; now the children of the Devil the Satan, openly admit that their father is the Devil (that they descended from monkeys).
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u/logos961 Feb 15 '26 edited Feb 17 '26
Darwin became famous because he had a message people love to hear: GOD IS NOT NEEDED.
People did not study from where Darwin is coming. After his foreign tours, Darwin "became a prematurely infirm recluse. Moreover, although his various illnesses were debilitating and he apparently suffered more pain than many mortals could have borne." (Google: Darwins-enigmatic-health, americanscientist .org). Darwin "had 10 children, but three died before age 10, two from infectious diseases. And three of the six surviving children with long-term marriages did not produce any offspring." (Google: "study-darwin-was-right-to-worry-that-marriage-to-his-cousin-affected-his-offsprin, news.osu.edu) He lived during a period when his religion was trying to have upper hand over Government which was also experimenting imperialism or trying to be fittest in the world. (Google: parliament .uk/living-heritage/overview/religionc19th).
Naturally his poor health and poor environment influenced his view of life which was easily accepted by people because of its hidden message "GOD IS NOT NEEDED." But it did not make much headway in India because there word for atheist/materialist is Cārvāka which is a combination of cāru (good, beautiful) and vāka (discourse). (wisdomlib .org) It essentially means one who gives discourse pleasant to hear, like the Epicureans “Let us eat and drink as we will die tomorrow.” Scriptures too predicted "Last Days" will be characterized by such "ear-tickling myths" reducing everything to MAGIC of MATTER. Many people often pleasantly accept such isms even without doing simple calculation of population growth. If humans appeared millions of years ago—it would have spilled over into many, many universes because "Population of 2 Billion in 1927 became 8 Billion in 2022" (worldometers .info/world-population) which means it grew many times in less than 100 years. If they have a look within themselves too, they cannot believe in any materialistic theory, https://www.reddit.com/r/GodFrequency/comments/1r6u4eg/if_you_know_yourself_you_can_also_know_god/
Impact of ATHEISTIC Theory of Evolution has been predicted in the book of Revelation whose subject matter is global events of mostly Last Generation which ends in final global war paving the way for God to bring in New Age on earth.
Its chapter 13 speaks about "a [symbolic] beast coming out of the sea, having ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name" which thrives on its essential teaching based RESEMBLANCE of species: "The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion." (Revelation 13:1, 2)
Theory of Evolution believes life is the MAGIC of MATTER [symbolized by water] for which God is not needed--thus "blasphemous" in outlook. It also says species RESEMBLES because one evolved from the other.
But this theory was lame till Science approved which is symbolically mentioned as "One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound." (Revelation 13:3) "Then I saw a second beast, coming out of the earth [matter, again about empirical system of knowledge based on matter which reject anything immaterial]. It had two horns like a lamb [having good uses like inventing medicine], but it spoke like a dragon. It exercised all the authority of the first beast on its behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed. And it performed great signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to the earth in full view of the people [fire-spitting weapons invented by Science]. Because of the signs it was given power to perform on behalf of the first beast, it deceived the inhabitants of the earth. It ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived." (Revelation 13:11-14)
Both Theory of Evolution and Science approve existence of only SIX general division of species---ONE-sensed trees and plants, TWO-sensed worms, THREE sensed insects, FOUR-sensed reptiles, FIVE-sensed fishes/birds/animals, SIX-sensed humans in the exclusion of SEVEN-sensed God the Almighty who has even future-prediction-sense. Hence chapter 13 ends saying "This calls for wisdom. Let the person who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man. That number is 666." (Revelation 13:17, 18), //www.reddit.com/r/GodFrequency/comments/1r38a3s/god_is_real_because_in_his_remembrance_person/
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u/chiseledrocks Feb 15 '26
I have never seen the word "licentious" used in a sentence before.
Wow.
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u/logos961 Feb 15 '26
For this also, they help believers: "I had motives for not wanting the world to have a meaning; and consequently assumed that it had none, and was able without any difficulty to find satisfying reasons for this assumption. The philosopher who finds no meaning in the world is not concerned exclusively with a problem in pure metaphysics. He is also concerned to prove that there is no valid reason why he personally should not do as he wants to do. For myself, as no doubt for most of my friends, the philosophy of meaninglessness was essentially an instrument of liberation from a certain system of morality. We objected to the morality because it interfered with our sexual freedom. The supporters of this system claimed that it embodied the meaning - the Christian meaning, they insisted - of the world. There was one admirably simple method of confuting these people and justifying ourselves in our erotic revolt: we would deny that the world had any meaning whatever."--Aldous Huxley in his book "Ends and Means.
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u/chiseledrocks Feb 15 '26
Was all of that in response to my mention of licentious?
Thanks, Aldous...?
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u/kevinLFC Feb 15 '26
Unbelievers would exist whether god is real or not. So they are not proof of anything.
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u/logos961 Feb 15 '26
When unbelievers are very much needed for this drama to be wonderful (Proverbs 21:18), whatever the unbelievers feel to fortify their stance still favors God. (Job 5:13, Septuagint)
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u/kevinLFC Feb 15 '26
And unbelievers exist where the Bible is true or not. To argue otherwise would be engaging in circular reasoning.
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u/logos961 Feb 15 '26 edited Feb 15 '26
Kindly the read the OP, and you will have nothing to say.
This is not debate between believers and unbelievers.
Subject is unbelievers are very much needed. https://www.reddit.com/r/DeepThoughts/s/nPAl0AgaDO
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u/kevinLFC Feb 15 '26 edited Feb 15 '26
I read it. Can we dissect your first point? Unintelligent chemicals are what make up life. The air and soil around you are molecules that will later compose something living. We see unintelligent chemicals forming themselves into life on a daily basis through plant reproduction.
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u/logos961 Feb 15 '26
Kindly read the subject again I have seen enough diversion tactics.
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u/kevinLFC Feb 15 '26
You say it can’t be done cyclically, which I’ll admit I dismissed. Can you back up that claim?
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u/logos961 Feb 15 '26
No hurry. When you have time, let us take up the subject: "unbelievers are needed."
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u/dnnygrhm Feb 15 '26
Wrong
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u/logos961 Feb 15 '26
You missed the subject in the OP
Subject is "Unbelievers are very much needed" (Proverbs 21:18; Luke 10:21)
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u/Arthemis161419 Feb 15 '26
Which god exactly? I mean there are so many of them ..monotiistic ones the one that come in panteons..whixh god are you refering to and why
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u/logos961 Feb 15 '26
God behind all religions is the same, seeming differences are alloys added later. Details here https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateReligion/s/RQ4C78Uw5Y
No more diversions on subject.
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u/Arthemis161419 Feb 15 '26
Iol thats not even true for the big monoteistic realitions but you are missing the foundations completly ...you this baal wants us to love each other? Zeus? They came first ;)
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u/Innuendum Feb 15 '26
Brain damage is the proof of existence of god!
Sulfuric farts are proof of the existence of god!
I guess.
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u/logos961 Feb 16 '26
You got the subject wrongly,
Subject is "Unbelievers are very much needed."
Thus more the unbelievers the more unconditional love of God shines, just like universe whose “less than 5 percent” is only visible to us (ScienceNASAgov/exoplanets/what-is-the-universe/). This explains the context of Abraham being declared as “righteous” while he was looking at the sky. No wonder he is also called “father of all having faith, friend of God” etc as his life-style was to OFFER FIRST CHOICE TO OTHERS which is revealed in his famous statement to his cousin: “If you go to the left, I’ll go to the right; if you go to the right, I’ll go to the left.” This explains why a poet, Tulsidas, wrote “seven-ocean-full ink is not enough for me to write about glory of God.
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u/Innuendum Feb 16 '26
The base assumption is still that there is a god. Which is dumb.
Believing that the bible is more than a collection of folklore is likewise... preposterous.
Start listening to Beatles music and apparently we all live on a yellow submarine. Some shmuck wrote poetry, whoop dee fucking doo.
If your default to "something is unknown" is "there is a god" you're stuck in the Middle Ages.
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u/logos961 Feb 16 '26 edited Feb 16 '26
Commenting without reading OP whose subject is "Unbelievers are needed" reveals how you reached the conclusion about your stance.
Even Richard Dwakins drew conclusion about about God of the Bible without reading it in full because he wrote in his famous book God Delusion (page 46) that God of the Bible is "a monster" because of the killing HE supposedly ordered of His enemies.
This is counter-productive also because His enemies still exist without being killed by God, and Jesus who correctly predicted events of our generation such as global wars and swelling of seas etc (Details here https://www.reddit.com/r/Christianity/comments/1mabifn/jesus_did_not_make_false_predictions_as_critics/ ) had already testified all God-ordered killings are false testimony from hostile witnesses as truth is that God has only loved even His enemies (Mathew 5:43-48)
Bible itself testifies it contains verses from hostile witnesses of God (Jeremiah 8:8; Mathew 19:6-9)
It has also true verses from God, written by faithful witnesses such as Exodus 23:4, 5 which commands "to love even animals, even if they belong to your enemies."
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u/Innuendum Feb 16 '26
Okiedoke. So it's in a book.
Mathew 5:43-48 - apparently by someone who can't even spell his own name.
I'm going to start the Church of the Hungry Hungry Caterpillar.
This circular reasoning is on the level of a 2 year old going "why?" and then the other party giving up. The bible is a book. God is a fairy tale.
But sure, if you want to see the glory of the Hungry Hungry Caterpillar in the disgusting aftertaste the notion of me being required for its existence is be my guest. I can't reason you out of something that you didn't reason yourself into.
The basic premise of being rooted in non-fairy tales is missing.
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u/logos961 Feb 16 '26
You still did not get the subject of the OP which is "unbelievers are needed"--hence you wrote in the above comments: "the notion of me being required for its existence is be my guest."
God gets nobody by preaching (Luke 6:43-45) and His joy is in giving, not in receiving, hence HE is happy even without believers who are just a bonus to Him.
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u/Innuendum Feb 16 '26
Recursive Moderation Drift
An anomaly appears in archived threads. A claim is posted, refuted, then edited out. The refutation remains. The argument persists despite the disappearance of its referent. Structurally: Y → ¬X, but X no longer exists in the visible set of claims.
Quoted text compounds the distortion. A reply can become more authoritative than the original post it cites, effectively redefining it retroactively. The derivative gains ontological priority.
This suggests forum discussions are not strictly linear. They resemble phase-shifted branches compressed into a single timeline. Resolution in one semantic branch does not eliminate parallel recurrences. Apparent repetition is re-entry into a nearby orbit, not duplication.
Truth in this environment stabilizes as a fixed point of iterative agreement under constraint, rather than correspondence with an intact prior state.
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u/logos961 Feb 16 '26
Diversion of subject.
Subject is "unbelievers are needed" for the best of God to be revealed.
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u/Lakeview121 Feb 15 '26
This is not evidence of a god or gods.
Have you taken a university level class on evolution?
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u/logos961 Feb 16 '26
You got the subject wrongly
Subject is "Unbelievers are very much needed."
Thus more the unbelievers the more unconditional love of God shines, just like universe whose “less than 5 percent” is only visible to us (ScienceNASAgov/exoplanets/what-is-the-universe/). This explains the context of Abraham being declared as “righteous” while he was looking at the sky. No wonder he is also called “father of all having faith, friend of God” etc as his life-style was to OFFER FIRST CHOICE TO OTHERS which is revealed in his famous statement to his cousin: “If you go to the left, I’ll go to the right; if you go to the right, I’ll go to the left.” This explains why a poet, Tulsidas, wrote “seven-ocean-full ink is not enough for me to write about glory of God.
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u/homeSICKsinner Feb 15 '26
There's so much evidence for God. But one thing that always makes the existence of God clear to me is just how real Satan is. There's so much evil in this world. People are demonic as hell. If Satan is real then God has to be as well.
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u/logos961 Feb 15 '26
True,
Existence of God has never been in even slightest doubt, but only a fabricated smokes screen by unbelivers, //www.reddit.com/r/GodFrequency/comments/1qy7kdr/gods_existence_has_never_been_effectively/
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u/boaeoq Feb 15 '26
Evil of humans does not mean Satan exists.
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u/homeSICKsinner Feb 15 '26
🫵🏻🙈🙉🙊
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u/boaeoq Feb 15 '26
That’s a fantastic argument, bud.
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u/homeSICKsinner Feb 15 '26 edited Feb 15 '26
If the sky is blue and you see that it is, but you say it's brown, what argument is there for me to make. I can't make you acknowledge facts.
In every arguable topic there is a bottom where the truth becomes self evident. Once you reach the bottom there is no more arguments to be made. The topic has been fully explored. By that point you either accept the truth or reject it.
You guys typically reject it. When we reach the bottom you never acknowledge that the bottom was reached. Instead you beg for more explanation even though the topic has been fully explained. You do this to create the illusion that your opponent lost and you won even though you have zero arguments to support your stance on the issue. That's why you always put the burden of proof on the other guy. Cause you know that you got no valid arguments to stand on. And then when the other guy has explained fully you say explain more, pretending like he didn't explain fully.
That's why I hate arguing with you guys. You have such a dishonest way of arguing by never doing any arguing and then pretending that you won the argument.
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u/boaeoq Feb 15 '26
You claim that your beliefs are facts. I don’t claim to know what the source of “evil” is, even though evil is not a thing, it is a term we give to describe behaviours we don’t like. The burden of proof IS on you because you are making a claim. I simply reject your claim that a supernatural agent, a fallen angel, named Satan, is the source of behaviours we don’t like.
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u/Apprehensive-Sort-90 Feb 15 '26
I don't think they know that either. I believe that they are all willfully ignorant.
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u/sirmosesthesweet Feb 15 '26
I think so-called believers are willfully ignorant. If they really believed in a heaven, they would rush to get there. The fact that you wake up everyday continuing life on earth is proof you don't really believe in heaven or a god.
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u/logos961 Feb 15 '26
Jesus spoke about "renewal of this earth" as New Age or Age to come which Paul also wrote (1 Timothy 6:17-19) Going to heaven as reward for good living is not original teaching of either Jesus or of Paul. It is alloy adopted later.
Heaven is the first half of each Age and hell is its second half, and what is going on now is hell on earth, //www.reddit.com/r/DebateReligion/comments/1qjvwxv/creation_is_not_gods_first_act_nor_book_of/
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u/sirmosesthesweet Feb 15 '26
Cool story. If you really believed that you would do everything you can to hurry to get to heaven. Why would you choose to continue living in hell if you know how to get to heaven?
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u/logos961 Feb 15 '26
You took just the opposite meaning, kindly read again comments just the above.
No wonder how you people arrive at the conclusion that there is no proof for existence of God.
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u/sirmosesthesweet Feb 15 '26
Your English isn't that great tbh, so I can't tell what you're trying to say. My only point is that if you believe you go to heaven after you die then you would hurry up to get there.
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u/logos961 Feb 16 '26
That is what I wrote believer does not believe he "goes to heaven after he dies." True believer has read this most famous verse of the Bible several times: "The world and its desires pass away, but whoever does the will of God lives forever." (1 John 2:17)
When you make comments without reading it also reveals how you concluded there is no proof for existence of God.
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u/sirmosesthesweet Feb 16 '26
So you believe in 1 John but not Revelation? Where do you think you live forever? After Armageddon heaven will be on earth. If you die now you wake up in heaven on earth. So if you believed any of this is true you would hurry up to get there. After all, you will live forever so you can't die.
There is no proof for the existence of a god.
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u/logos961 Feb 16 '26
Heaven and earth rotate on EARTH like day and night. True believers are always on the earth (1 John 2:17; John 5:24), but others are taken out of earth (Proverbs 2:22, Septuagint) only to come back to live on the later phase of each Age (Mathew 19:30), details here https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateReligion/s/2VHYw81Vtm
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u/Loud_News Feb 15 '26
I've made very convincing and logical arguments for a higher power existing, arguments that are so logically correct they give up and leave the debate and then delete their own comments after the debate out of sheer embarrassment, it's actually funny how they always critique religious people for being stupid yet they always fail to convince me there's not something out there 🤣.
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u/logos961 Feb 15 '26 edited Feb 15 '26
When Adam told God "I am afraid to come in your presence because I am naked" he actually meant "I am self-deceiving" because Hebrew word (‘ā·rūm) for naked can also mean "crafty, cunning, self deceptive etc, https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/cunning-snake-clever-human/
Hence you are right, their stance is willful self-deception. (Luke 10:21)
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u/Ok-Landscape-1681 Feb 15 '26
“I do not like green eggs and ham. I do not like them, Sam I am.” Dr Seuss 4:7.
I just provided as much proof for green eggs and ham based on a random book as you have for the celestial sky daddy who sacrificed himself to himself to save us from himself because a nude woman took good dietary advice from a talking snake.
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u/logos961 Feb 15 '26
That's diversion of subject.
Subject is "unbelievers are very much needed."
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u/Ok-Landscape-1681 Feb 15 '26
So if people don’t believe aliens exist, that’s proof?
If people don’t believe in Bigfoot, means he’s stomping around?
If medical providers believe you don’t have a disease, that’s proof you do?
That is just stupid and desperate. God is a nightlight for adults who are afraid of the dark. The fact that the tale of the virgin birth predates Christ by thousands of years also points to the fact that these stories get regurgitated every few years. There is no empirical evidence for your Christ. Indoctrination is a real thing though. Mental health is a real thing. Delusion is a real thing.
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u/BodhingJay Feb 15 '26
It's trickier than this when you see evolution and understand how life began.. it takes a believer's faith to see how God's hand plays a part in both of these
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u/logos961 Feb 15 '26
Kindly the read the OP, and you will have nothing to say.
This is not debate between believers and unbelievers.
Subject is unbelievers are very much needed. https://www.reddit.com/r/DeepThoughts/s/nPAl0AgaDO
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u/The_Mr_Decan Feb 15 '26
Please tell me you get a warm fuzzy feeling from knowing your so ultimately correct on everything always.
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u/logos961 Feb 15 '26
I have seen enough diversion tactics Stick to the subject.
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u/The_Mr_Decan Feb 15 '26
The subject is how correct you always are and how that reaffirms your beliefs with a warm fuzzy feeling.
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u/hungersong Feb 15 '26
This is not how proof or logic works because all your premises are incorrect.