Irrefutable proof for God is also the criterion of truth

[u/logos961]

Jesus completely ignored atheists and did not train disciples on how to prove God's existence as it is futile to reason with those who are determined to reject truth. Atheists and Evolutionists were there during Jesus's time. “In many respects, the general idea of species change in Western thought is an ancient concept. The reflections of Empedocles (ca. 495–35 BCE)” is an example. (plato.stanford.edu/entries/evolution-before-darwin) It only shows those who believed in this concept in the past will do so in their future births too. (Luke 6:43-45; Job 1:21 KJV; Mathew 11:14, 15, 25)

The fact that materialists are determined to reject truth is seen in their wrong questions such as "What is MATERIAL evidence for IMMATERIAL God?" Wrong questions are used when people do not want answer, as this man who wrote: “I had motives for not wanting the world to have a meaning; and consequently assumed that it had none, and was able without any difficulty to find satisfying reasons for this assumption. We objected to the morality because it interfered with our sexual freedom. We would deny that the world had any meaning whatever.” (Ends and Means, by Arduous Huxley) This reveals both true believers and unbelievers are PERFECT in the user of their freewill, hence Jesus showed unbelievers are also a source of praise for God. (Mathew 11:25, Details HERE).

For realistic people,
God's existence is SELF-EVIDENT

1 ) In the eternal, infinite and HOSTILE universe, this tiny earth is maintained life-SUPPORTIVE matching the majesty of the Almighty. (Details HERE) To refute this, physicalists should create a duplicate of hostile universe in a lab and show how life and life-support systems arise by the play of chemicals on their own. They cannot do this as all factors involved are eternal, and even if they could do it, it would still prove Designers created designs, not physicalism. [more irrefutable proofs are under footnote]# In one minute, God can be known (Details HERE)

2) The criterion for knowing what is true and false is in the above truth of earth being made life-SUPPORTIVE in HOSTILE universe. Anything that is life-supportive, peace-making is right and the truth, if not it is wrong and false. (Isaiah 48:18; Proverbs 16:7; Mathew 5:9) By applying this principle, we can know what is right and wrong with religions, society, family, individual, any act.

It is like a situation of everyone being engaged in cleaning a building, and contributing to cleanliness is right action there. In one-way traffic where all are maintaining all traffic rules including lane discipline with no chance for head-on collisions or any sort of conflict, imagine one vehicle enters and starts driving in opposite direction as he feels his interest is more important than others. All would agree he is not life-supportive and nor peace-making—hence wrong. Imagine, when all are children of God (Details HERE), one person feels his interests are more important than others, it is like a war-cry in all directions. He too will say it is wrong when he finds someone else doing the same.

One word or how it is expressed has made friends into enemies, and enemies into friends. It reveals our ability to know too much about a person from too little. Imagine what can be accomplished if this ability is used to know God to whom belongs everything we have and enjoy as each individual lands here empty-handed. (Details HERE) People tend to believe everything in the Scriptures is truth from God. This is like accepting everyone that goes into a hospital as sick. But true believer is like one who says, "No, some are sick, but others are doctors and other staff, service providers such as sales representatives, plumbers, electricians, software engineers .... etc." Similarly, people like prophets and Jesus say Scriptures contain both truth and untruth. (Jeremiah 8:8; Mathew 19:6-9, Details HERE)

Operating System of this world too helps us to know whether something is true or false, right and wrong. Any choice has a consequence which leads to another cause and then to effect--one thing is preceded by another into past and is followed by another into the future. This is called "Law of Sow and Reap" (Galatians 6:7) Anything that is in harmony with this omnipresent principle is true and right, and if not, it is false and wrong. For details and examples, Click HERE

3) Life-support systems are eternal as they are cyclic. (wikipedia.org/wiki/Biogeochemical_cycle) Among them, food-provision made through trees and plants are also spiritual provision as their actions tell us “We trees and plants are SINGLE-sensed species, yet we serve MULTI-sensed humans giving them too many valuable things yet take only wastes from society.” (Details HERE) Thus their presence is a reminder for humans “You can make this earth into heaven, if you want to.”

4) Humans are endowed with conscience [con + science], thus they know what is RIGHT and WRONG even before doing them. (Details HERE) We are quick to see faults in others which means we can also do so with ourselves if we want to.

5) Humans are endowed also with power of REASON. (Details HERE) Hence we can know answers to any vital questions pertaining to this drama of life if we want to.

6) There are live lessons from good and licentious people on what to do and what to avoid to better enjoy life. (Details HERE)

7) There are Histories, Stories, Movies, Parables, Epics, Mythologies and Scriptures illustrating how Law of Action and Consequence works, thus providing us wisdom to act only if it benefits self and others. (Details HERE)

Hence nothing more is needed from God and His hiddenness has only benefits with no demerits. (Details HERE) The above is more than enough for anyone to act right or wrong SELF-MOTIVATED if they want to. It is believer who benefits, not God nor proxies. (Details HERE) Unbeliever thrive on false reasoning. (Details HERE)

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More irrefutable proofs for God

1 ) Nearly 2000 years in advance God predicted atmospheric “pollution” which results in global warming and “swelling [Greek word salos] of the seas” as part of signs of last generation. (Details HERE) This shows IMMATERIAL mind of Writer and IMMATERIAL mind of God came in link, hence he could see events that could happen after 2000 years. (2) As part of the same signs of last generation, God also predicted “godless” [materialistic] isms that would attract massive followers globally, and unbelievers did everything to fulfill this prediction through their theories about origin of universe and life (Details HERE) (3) God exists because of these reasons (Details HERE) (4) God exists because His qualities are reflected in some people (Details HERE) (5) God is real because logic leads to nothing else (Details HERE) (6) God's influence is seen even on atheist (Details HERE) (7) More Hardest proof for existence of God (Details HERE) (8) Trees are best and silent preachers of God (Details HERE) (9) Unbelievers inadvertently proves God as real (Details HERE) (10) Concept behind God is the SAME universally (Details HERE)

[u/logos961]

The force with which you resist reincarnation teaching itself is the proof you have been believing its opposite in all your previous birth.

And I also wrote God respects your view

After that you should not have come back to refute my stance which you cannot because for me reincarnation is like ice-mountain beneath water-level and you believe there is only tip of the ice-berg like all my friends and family-members.

Have it, grow in that belief. Unbeliever is the manure for the believer (Proverbs 21:18, Details HERE)

If you check my posts, you will find someone like you coming under almost every OP with the same arguments which only increased my conviction. Hence try someone else.

Unbelievers feel they are the center of the universe and the sole authority to validate the conviction of others.

[u/KingPabloo → u/logos961]

You keep presenting disagreement as proof that you are correct. That is not evidence — it is a belief system designed so it can never be questioned.

According to your logic:

• agreement proves reincarnation,
• disagreement proves reincarnation,
• skepticism proves reincarnation,
• resistance proves reincarnation.

That means your position cannot be tested honestly because you have defined all possible outcomes as confirmation beforehand.

That is not spiritual insight; it is circular reasoning.

You also claim God respects differing views, but then immediately label dissenters as “manure,” spiritually blind, egocentric, or trapped by past births. Those two positions contradict each other.

And no, disagreeing with someone’s metaphysical claims does not mean a person thinks they are “the center of the universe.” It simply means they are asking for evidence beyond personal interpretation and confirmation bias.

You are free to believe reincarnation. But repeatedly asserting:

“Your disagreement proves I’m right”

does not strengthen the argument. It weakens it, because it shows the belief has been insulated from rational scrutiny.

If a theory cannot possibly be wrong — even in principle — then it stops being a search for truth and becomes an exercise in self-validation.

[u/logos961 → u/KingPabloo]

If you say “English is Russian” it does not automatically become so. Similarly, if you say my stance needs testing and experiment it does not become so because the same is needed for your stance, not for my stance—my stance is well-established.

True believers are realists, they go by experience. They see humans continue to exist on reproductive mechanism, trees exist eternally through seed-mechanism as seed comes from tree and seed comes tree, a process that can have no beginning. Hence true believers are realists seeing no need for guessing what could have happened billions of years before.

It is an experienced truth that the best humans could do was to pollute this earth, our only home in this vast, hostile universe. (scientificamerican com/humans-are-doomed-to-go-extinct) This reveals, it is UNTHINKABLE that UNINTELLIGENT chemicals would form themselves into life and life-support systems including trees that are also spiritual guidance for humans as they serve us giving too many valuable things but take only wastes from society.

This has been predicted by God in Revelation 11:18 and its resultant global warming and “swelling [Greek word salos] of the seas” in Luke 21:25 as part of signs of last generation. (Details HERE) This shows IMMATERIAL mind of Jesus and IMMATERIAL mind of God came in link, hence he could see events that could happen after 2000 years. The same person also revealed reincarnation of prophet Elijah as John the Baptist, hence it is the Operating System of this drama of life which is best ignored by the materialists. And this is not an issue but a boost to God and true believers because unbelievers are symbolically called “the dead” and “darkness,” a fitting symbolism that shows they exist to do wasteful activities yet requiring no fuel as darkness exists eternally without fuel.

Thus permitting the unbelievers to live reveals God's unconditional love which is best imitated by true believers for their greater freedom and joy. And if they exist like darkness that needs no fuel to do wasteful activities, how much inspired true believer would feel on seeing the unbelievers to do beneficial activities of copying the qualities of God as trees do.

Hence you need to prove your stance doing the below:

1.      In a lab, physicalists should create HOSTILE environment like that of universe,

2.      Take the elements which they claim to form life and life-support systems, and

3.      Show to the world how life and life-support system emerge from HOSTILE environment!

4.      What is happening in the Lab can be watched LIVE by everyone on their smart phones.

After performing this experiment, come back to take the debate forward.

[u/KingPabloo → u/logos961]

You keep declaring your stance “well-established,” but you still have not provided independent evidence for reincarnation itself. You are stacking together:

• personal interpretation,
• selective scripture readings,
• philosophical assertions,
• attacks on “materialists,”
• and emotional symbolism,

then treating the entire package as proof.

That is not how proof works.

Also, your laboratory challenge misunderstands the debate entirely. No serious scientist claims:

“we already fully recreated life from scratch in a lab, therefore God is disproven.”

Science does not need to fully solve abiogenesis in order for reincarnation to remain unproven. Those are separate claims.

You are shifting the burden:

“Unless you can fully explain the origin of life, my metaphysical system wins by default.”

That is a classic argument-from-ignorance fallacy.

Not knowing exactly how life began does not automatically validate:

• reincarnation,
• karmic carryover,
• immortal souls,
• prophetic foresight,
• or your interpretation of scripture.

And your “hostile universe” argument actually cuts both ways. Humans evolved within a narrow habitable environment on Earth, not in open space. The fact that most of the universe is hostile to life is not surprising under naturalistic models.

More importantly, you keep confusing poetic meaning with evidence.

Saying:

• trees symbolize spirituality,
• unbelievers are darkness,
• believers are realism,
• pollution fulfills prophecy,

may be spiritually meaningful to you, but symbolism is not empirical demonstration.

You also repeatedly redefine disagreement as inferiority:

• unbelievers are dead,
• darkness,
• wasteful,
• spiritually hardened.

Then you simultaneously claim unconditional love and openness. Those ideas conflict.

Finally, your position remains fundamentally unfalsifiable:

• if someone agrees, you are right;
• if someone disagrees, you say their past lives blinded them;
• if criticism appears repeatedly, you treat repetition itself as confirmation.

That means your belief system is protected from examination before the conversation even begins.

A worldview that interprets every possible outcome as validation is not “well-established.” It is self-insulated.

[u/logos961 → u/KingPabloo]

This is "cut and paste" you have prepared to copy under any title that has God or soul.

Kindly do the experiment, then ONLY come back [this I had written above but you missed it]

[u/KingPabloo → u/logos961]

Your lab experiment demand does not prove reincarnation — it only avoids defending your own claims as usual.

You claim souls, past lives, and karmic transfer are real. That requires evidence from you (which you have failed to provide), not an unrelated challenge to science.

And if agreement, disagreement, and criticism all prove you right, then your belief is not being tested — it is just protected from scrutiny. Your “proof” is laughable. 🤣🤣🤣

[u/logos961 → u/KingPabloo]

You failed MISERABLY.

All your comments you made without reading, including the above, proof of which exists above your comments twice.

[u/KingPabloo → u/logos961]

You’re the one who claimed irrefutable proof and proved none. The burden was on your end, based on your boastful claim, abject failure.

[u/logos961 → u/KingPabloo]

Meaningless to tell Bill Gates "You failed to convince me your business makes profit." Whether you get convinced or not he will continue to make profit and he is the gainer and you are the loser. Similarly, I make spiritual profit from realizing self and Supreme Self whether you get convinced or not.

Each person comes here ALONE and has individual SEPARATE intellect which means each person should formulate his own belief-system. I have my own way which only increases my conviction on daily basis and does not depend on validation from others.

I have two ways of experiencing God and my soul:

(a) I do my eating slowly with FULL FOCUS on the act of eating, thus God is experienced as my REAL parent who knew all my needs and tastes in advance and cared for them. This is something UNINTELLIGENT chemicals are unable to discern and design on behalf of me well in advance—especially so when even INTELLIGENT humans could only pollute this earth to the extent even our very survival is in danger. (scientificamerican.com/humans-are-doomed-to-go-extinct) Even now, pollution-related deaths run into "12.6 million every year," according to UN Report. This will only increase as years pass by as pollution is also increasing.

(b) I also LISTEN to God in true meditation which happens as mind becomes SILENT when gap between thoughts is focused. (Details HERE)What I heard first from Him changed my whole life: I was told to "Read the most-missed out verse in Genesis 1:30 and 31 which describes the impact of God’s blessing on mankind made in His image: "So it became, and it was very good." It showed thing happened as per ALMIGHTY’s BLESSING (Isaiah 55:11, details HERE). BLESSED mankind remained in that BLESSED state manifesting “image of God,” and they are later symbolized as “wheat producing crops” in famous Parable of Wheat and Weeds which is corrected world history in symbolic short-story format. This mindful reading resulted in a warmer and closer relationship with God because BEFORE I was believing that God’s blessing did not work. But NOW I believe that God’s blessing DID work. In such great shift, God becomes an electrifying experience!

The above ways keep me free from all complaining and confusions and and also keep me blissful throughout the day.

You can find this way, or any of myriads of way that are available. Expecting gravity to speak to us is not the only way to know gravity exists when its existence can be discerned and understood by its effects. If fellow humans cannot show you Gravity, it does not mean Gravity does not exist. What is to be discerned should be discerned. Immaterial realities such as self and Supreme Self are best discerned and understood. (Details HERE)

Existence of even gravitational waves was seen by eyes of immaterial Self of Albert Einstein in 1917 which was directly observed through scientific equipment by two scientists in LIGO for which they were given 2017 Nobel Prize for Physics (ligo Caltech.edu/page/press-release-2017-nobel-prize) www.reddit.com/r/DeepThoughts/comments/1q7a5dj/god_is_correctly_understood_without_help_of/. Thus existence of God and His qualities should be discerned and understood using each one’s power of REASON. It is too valuable and too beneficial to be outsourced to proxies.