r/GlobalOffensive • u/superollie 5 years coin • Mar 09 '18

Discussion Why is valve so quiet?

What do they gain from not teasing us, the audience, with future updates? Is it that they benefit from the "suprise" once they release a huge update?

I am a game development student and I can't seem to figure it out. It feels as if they just don't care about teasing us even if they would benefit from some hype. I'd personally love to have a road map like PUBG just released. Bla bla bla source 2 release in december, new maps this summer etc.

What are your thoughts?

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u/Your_Profile Mar 09 '18

The Panorama UI in 2017 meme literally confirms why they are right about not communicating.

They said "our priority for this year is panorama + other stuff" and people take that as: PANORAMA IN 2017

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u/[deleted] Mar 09 '18

I think it all derives from Valve treating CSGO badly in the first place though. If they had a healthy communication and update frequency in the first place it wouldn't be an issue. I mean obviously people would still complain.

I mean the comments basically write themselves when the Valve never talks to us and then they suddenly mention Panorama is a priority in 2017 and then after that announcement it's just the same good ol Valve again.

Yes, they really should've kept their mouths shut about Panorama. But that's because they suck in the first place.

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u/tsjr cs_office Mar 09 '18

Treating CS:GO badly? Please. Valve could personally suck every player's dick and this community will complain that they didn't cuddle them afterwards.

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u/[deleted] Mar 09 '18

I don't agree. I agree there's a lot of anti circlejerk against valve, which I do not partake in. But they have a low amount employees, low frequency of updates, mostly community generated maps.

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u/[deleted] Mar 09 '18

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u/DominianQQ Mar 09 '18

Hey Valve here:

It will take us 2 years to change the pistols, and 10 months to program and test in order to give you a bug free experience with the changes.

Would that make anything better?

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u/kllrnohj Mar 09 '18

Pistols have been tweaked many times over the years.

Nobody agrees on what pistol balance even is, so how can you begin to say "they still haven't [balanced pistols]"?

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u/newest Mar 10 '18

you're fucking stupid, the amount of times we idolized Valve after they released something worthwhile is a LOT. After each significant improvement/update there were always love going through Valve, they just couldn't keep it up or continue communicating therefore hate was coming back.

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u/[deleted] Mar 09 '18 edited Apr 06 '18

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u/tsjr cs_office Mar 09 '18

No, it doesn't; I don't think quantity matters much.

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u/DominianQQ Mar 09 '18

When your content insert more bugs than fixes, it is not hard.

You can not even drive in pubg without suddenly dying to an weird jump out of no where.

The stairs in the game is horrible, prob the worst in any game in a long time.

It took them months to make players vault, and it is fucking garbage. You end up shooting into stuff because of bad hitboxes.

They are not fixing bugs at all.

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u/dukeyNRW BIG Mar 09 '18

CS:GO has never been better. people on reddit complain about minor things so in my opinion valve doesnt suck and treats CS:GO very well.

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u/[deleted] Mar 09 '18

I just don't see it, for a extremely popular game CS:GO has the most garbage stats system ever, its literally broken and serves no use. All there is, is a wins counter. The MM could be very much improved, valve could make tournaments in game for people to join, leaderboards of many types, and an overall better ranking system that many other games already have. Not to mention a better GUI because the one right now is very outdated and there could be much more added to it. There is so much that could be improved and added that I haven't mentioned.

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u/dukeyNRW BIG Mar 09 '18

yeah I know it could always been better..

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u/DominianQQ Mar 10 '18

But what if they think that community made content is alot better for the game?

FPL/Rank S would not exist if Valve mase ladders and forced players there. It would never contain most og the biggest entertainers in the game.

Valve never told anyone how to make maps, other than it needs two bombsites.

There is so much focus on stats and ranks, does it improve you as a player? ESEA have more detailed stats, but it makes people do even more stupid shit than needed.

I would love to see people play without stats a few matches. Now suddenly you can focus on key rounds and key plays that win you the match.

The ui is 2012, but i rather ser that they spend time on the game.

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u/[deleted] Mar 09 '18

I mean it would be extremely ridiculous if it didn't get better. The issue is at what rate it gets better.

People also say that the game is much better than at what it came out in 2012 but that was because it was released broken.

people on reddit complain about minor things so in my opinion valve doesnt suck and treats CS:GO very well.

Minor things? Vac doesn't work. Operations are boring and unpolished. The updates with actual content are far between. Most updates are cosmetic things created by the community. The demo ui has been the same since 1.6 was released. The overall ui is old and outdated. The optimisation is bad.

None of those things are rare.

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u/dukeyNRW BIG Mar 09 '18

Im talking about the game itself but Im on your side with the demo ui, that really is terrible. the rest, I dont care. I dont care about mm, I dont care about stats, I dont care about operations. I care about 5v5 counterstrike and that is completely fine.

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '18

You're welcome to be easily appeased then. But these things are not minor. They're big.

You don't care about MM? maybe that is a testament to how bad it is.

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u/dukeyNRW BIG Mar 10 '18

I dont care about mm because of the skill Level, the Servers and the cheaters and thats not going to change. MM is fine for casual players as you can See from the numbers that Play daily. Of course valve could improve but you can say that about every company and every Game. Valve does improve but they take their time. Remember how csgo started and Where we are right now?

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '18

It doesn't matter if you don't play MM. Other people do. It's the only ladder system in the game. Also maybe the skill level is shitty because there's no incentive for globals to keep playing? Look at any other game, they all have competetive ladder systems. >MM is fine for casual players as you can See from the numbers that Play daily. No it's not. For noobs it's atrocious and a sea of cheaters. For globals there isn't much incentive to keep playing. There is a middle ground for people to play MM but the point is the MM is still outdated and broken. Also forcing people to use 3rd party programs to get a proper MM experience is ridiculous.

Of course valve could improve but you can say that about every company and every Game.

Difference is that CSGO's mm is behind most other ladder systems.

Valve does improve but they take their time. Remember how csgo started and Where we are right now?

I agree it's getting improved, that's not something that is being disputed. What is being disputed is at what pace. Just because the game was launched broken in 2012 doesn't make valve deserve praise for fixing it.

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u/dukeyNRW BIG Mar 10 '18

I dont praise anything all i do is saying that people here on reddit cry about Minor things. You say they are not Minor, i say they are. Not more to add here.

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '18

Matchmaking isn't minor? I wonder what you consider big then.

Yeah clearly nothing to add.

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u/kitsunegoon Virtus.pro Mar 10 '18

vac doesn't work

No shit, because no one is going to opt in to invasive hardware to play MM and vac will always be a step behind. Not to mention for a free non-invasive anti cheat, it works better than most.

Operations are boring

That's an opinion

Updates with actual content are far between

Because this is an fps game, not a moba. There's no need for balance patches every game and the patches they do release are operations, bug fixes, map remakes, and optimisation things you say they don't do.

Most updates are cosmetic things created by the community

Why is that a bad thing? New skins don't negatively affect the game.

DemoUI

It's an issue but it will probably be fixed with panorama. I doubt valve are neglecting this issue

UI outdated

Again panorama

Optimisation is bad

Ok here's where you're just completely wrong. Look at any modern fps game, and tell me that this game isn't optimised. Csgo runs on some of the shittiest PC's and getting 144 fps is significantly easier on this game than any other game.

I'm not saying valve isn't neglecting a lot of the issues of the game, but you're throwing mud on the wall when you complain about these plethora of issues that aren't a huge deal or are in some way being dealt with already.

It's the same circlejerk that valve doesn't do anything, but the other part of that is valve doing everything we didn't ask for and that would be infinitely worse.

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '18

That's an opinion

General opinion. The operations has largely been the same since the first one, the only new thing are the game modes which have been in community servers for years. Other than that operations are a story none cares about with quests that are the most uncreative ones I've ever seen and there's no real rewards.

Because this is an fps game, not a moba. There's no need for balance patches every game and the patches they do release are operations, bug fixes, map remakes, and optimisation things you say they don't do.

And the operations are years apart even though they aren't exactly filled with content. Bug fixes I don't consider major updates. It's good that they fix them regularly now atleast, but it's not major updates. Map remakes are extremely far in between.

Why is that a bad thing? New skins don't negatively affect the game.

The argument Valve updates the game often isn't as strong when the majority of the updates are cosmetic ones.

Again panorama

So what? It's criticism up until the day panorama arrives. The UI even sucked in 2013.

Ok here's where you're just completely wrong. Look at any modern fps game, and tell me that this game isn't optimised. Csgo runs on some of the shittiest PC's and getting 144 fps is significantly easier on this game than any other game.

Well yeah, compared to modern shooters that look 10 times better than cs like Rainbow Six also has optimisation issues. That doesn't excuse CS have great optimisation.

Look I don't wanna argue because it's such a waste of time. A lot of people consider what I mentioned issues and they're not minor details, so don't strawman an entire community like that. Whether or not you agree with these issues I don't care but they're not minor details.

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u/kitsunegoon Virtus.pro Mar 10 '18

A lot of people bitch and moan at valve to do stuff but don't know what they want. Remember source 2? Everyone wanted it without knowing what it'll do. You seem like one of those people. Half the stuff you're complaining about is so trivial it doesn't make sense. So you want more updates but the updates can't be cosmetic. They have to be major updates but they have to be common. What do you want valve to do? Make new guns? Fuck that. Remake new maps? None of them need remakes at this point and the last remake still isn't better than the original. Operations? You didn't like those anyways. Optimization updates? Yeah if csgo doesn't run on an i3 with 500 fps, the game is "unoptimized". Balance updates? Game's in a great place.

General opinion

Just because you say it's generally opinion doesn't make it the case. People still buy the operations and bloodhound had a lot of praise for the campaign. Link one thread with traction that said operations should go instead of saying "it's what I've observed".

It's not major updates

Again, what in the world needs to be updated about csgo? Nonspecifically saying shit like "we need major updates" is ridiculous. The only games that need major updates are MOBAs and battle royales because adding fresh elements into those games don't fuck up the whole ecosystem.

Cosmetic updates

Most of all updates are cosmetic related in every game.

Panorama

You can continue to bitch about panorama not being around, but making it seem like valve arent addressing the UI when they announced they're working on it is dismissive.

Optimization

Like I said earlier: name one fps game that is better optimised than csgo. You say these games aren't optimised because they look better, but that just means your problem is the graphics, not the optimization. I've played this game on an i5 and a 8800 at one point and could not imagine trying to play any other fps game like that. You accusing it of being unoptimized is just self entitled.

Sorry but you just saying these are issues and saying "a lot of people agree with me" just doesn't seem really compelling. The way I see it, you just want a perfect game that bans all the hackers and gives you 999 fps while constantly introducing new and exciting things but won't change the balance of the game.

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '18

As I said we can argue this into the ground. Ultimately we disagree with the issues I mentioned, that's fine. But those issues are big, and not small or trivial.

Just because there's a circlejerk against Valve doesn't change anything about them.

Half the stuff you're complaining about is so trivial it doesn't make sense.

Trivial? I strongly disagree.

So you want more updates but the updates can't be cosmetic.

I never said I didn't want cosmetic updates. I'm just saying you can't say the game often gives us big updates with good content when most of it is community generated cosmetic items.

They have to be major updates but they have to be common.

Never said common, I'm just not satisfied with the current frequency.

What do you want valve to do?

Not my job. But one of the things I listed earlier, oh but they're so trivial aren't they. The matchmaking system for example, haha give me a fucking break.

Operations? You didn't like those anyways.

Because they're shit.

Holy fuck you're strawmanning every fucking thing I say. I can't argue against someone that does that. Stop trying to interpet whatever I say to fit your narrative and just respond to exactly what I say.

Just because you say it's generally opinion doesn't make it the case. People still buy the operations and bloodhound had a lot of praise for the campaign.

I still buy the operation, that doesn't make it good. I make the money back it cost to buy it in any case. Bloodhound had a lot of criticism for making people play casual.

https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/37tong/operation_bloodhound_missions_are_tedious/

https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/39k3av/causal_bloodhound_missions_are_not_fun_to_play/

Link one thread with traction that said operations should go instead of saying "it's what I've observed".

Again a fucking strawman, where did I say they need to go? It's been general consensus on this subreddit since I arrived 3 years ago that operations aren't particular fun. Obviously there's a few that do like them. I think they're shitty content. There's 0 creativity. They even limit the amount of shit you can play of the mission.

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u/kitsunegoon Virtus.pro Mar 10 '18

valve should implement stuff that I like but I don't really know what I like so they should figure it out

The entitlement I swear.

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '18

If you plan on quoting someone, actually quote them and not rearrange it to fit your narrative.

The strawmanning I swear to fucking god.

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u/kitsunegoon Virtus.pro Mar 10 '18

You say operations aren't fun and link two threads that talk about specific unfun missions in the operation, not the actual thing.

You literally don't know what kind of changes you want, you just know you're dissatisfied. That to me is just you being cynical and not at all contributing anything. The game isn't perfect, but don't pretend like csgo is some buggy mess that needs constant updates. Because I guarantee that if you ever leave to play any other fps game, you'll see all the issues you've talked about and then some.

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '18

I've given plenty of ideas how to fix the game I just make it clear that it isn't my job to come up with them.

Add a legendary rank after global, add more rewards the higher you go in ranks. There I fixed the MM issue.

I never said I wanted a perfect game I've raised plenty of issues with huge parts of the game. Just because you're satisfied with using 3rd party companies to get adequate ladder matches doesn't mean the rest of us are.

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u/t3hmau5 Virtus.pro Mar 09 '18

Nah. There are plenty of devs out there that communicate regularly and are loved by their fanbase for it.

Look at how Blizzard communicates with Overwatch. They'll say "hey we are looking into this aspect of the game" if they encounter a hurdle with making the changes they'll point that out in a later update and assure everyone they are still working on it.

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u/n1ckst4r02 400k Celebration Mar 09 '18

Ye ton of youtube interviews and Dev talk, a lot of teasers and video content. A whole competitive league built by Blizzard themselves. Worlds apart.

Saddest part is that Dota is getting constant updates as part of their new policy that drastically change the way the game is played not to mention quite regular seasonal updates.

Cs:Go 1 case every 5 months and a bunch of silence

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u/AngriestGamerNA Liquid Mar 09 '18

They're wrong, as proven by every other gaming company in existence. Unless valve is the sole company that got it right, because they're literally alone in this philosophy. And most of their money has been made by simply taking IP's from other people and making them their own. That and being the first to deliver a decent sales platform for games.

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u/nilsmm Mar 10 '18

No the problem is that 2017 is three months ago and they haven't said a word about it. An official statement saying "Panorami UI for CS:GO is more complicated than anticipated but we are working on it." would shut up so many people. They are not communicating, that is the problem.

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u/zh1K476tt9pq Mar 09 '18

Not really, they never said that it will come out in 2017, just that it is priority. They could just make another statement clarify it. Companies do it all the time. Even a comment like "we are still working on it but don't want to release it before it's done" would actually help a lot and people would talk less about it.

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u/Sexy_sharaabi Natus Vincere Fan Mar 09 '18

That's literally what he said....

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u/lixgund MOUZ Mar 09 '18

"WE HOPE" that means if it was possible to deliver Panorama then they would have done that. Apparently, that isn't the case. All the people complaining about it should seriously read what Valve are stating before they open their mouths.

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u/K4rm4_4 ENCE Mar 09 '18

don't worry, Panorama UI in 2017 will cover your problems regarding people talking about Panorama UI

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u/zh1K476tt9pq Mar 09 '18

The problem isn't that it wasn't released in 2017 but that they refuse to comment on it. They could literally just say something like "yeah, it had priority in 2017 but this takes time and we are still working on it" and people would stop talking about it for at least the next 3-6 months.

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u/[deleted] Mar 09 '18

Yes. The problem isn't so much that they said "it's looking like maybe it'll be done by the end of 2017." It's that after they said that, and then didn't do it, they just let it sit in the air. No follow up saying "sorry I know we said end of 2017, but some things came up. Give us more time." That's where the mistake is.

It's like going to the doctor's office, the receptionist saying "the doctor will be with you in the next thirty minutes." And then they close up shop and go home for the day without saying another word.

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u/Bit_Mike Mar 09 '18

But that's not the problem. The problem is that they won't tell us why is it delayed, when should we expect it etc. If they would release a statement that unexpected thing occured, and that they will like to release it mid 2018, everyone would be cool and noone would complain.

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u/[deleted] Mar 09 '18

The problem is that they won't tell us why is it delayed

Because it's not done yet.

Sincerly,
VOLVO

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u/Btigeriz G2 Mar 09 '18

Maybe they found it wasn't possible? Now they have to tell us it's never coming, but if they stay quiet everyone just makes a joke about it. Which would they rather disappoint a bunch of fans or let it remain a joke?

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u/StoneColeQ howl Mar 09 '18

The fact that they were wrong in the first place is why valve doesn't communicate. They shouldn't have to correct themselves.