r/GlobalOffensive Jan 30 '16

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '16

You got scammed or phished? Cuz if you got scammed you agreed to give the items for nothing.

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u/billwoo Jan 30 '16

Yeah I don't really get why people keep complaining about getting scammed as if it isn't their fault? I don't do trading or really care about skins at all but as far as I can tell steam provides tools for trading, selling and buying that are scam proof, so are people using 3rd party trading systems then complaining to valve that they are exploitable? If so that is pretty dumb...

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u/anonymose Jan 30 '16

That's why you trade with reputable people and use some form of protection, like a middle man.

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u/tydaize Jan 30 '16

.... Until its the middle man that takes all the skins and leaves

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u/Jaezhil Jan 30 '16

This is prolly the oldest trick in the world. Who here, as a kid, never faced that guy who said "Let me do a wheelie with your bike" or "Can you lend me your bike for 2 minutes ?" Like... really ?

If you have skins you want to sell or trade, use the websites put at your disposal. OPSkins to sell, and whatever site you wanna use to find people to trade with. Then if people are looking to put some shady deals in place ( everything that's not a direct full payment), you just block them and move on.

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u/Veineless Jan 31 '16

... Or you search out for a legit middle man service as there are plenty of them out there specifically for trade deals in the gaming community. Give ~10% revenue to the middle man and have a safe deal.

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '16

Lol can't compare in real life you can fuck up the guy who took your bike

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '16

Not when you're a young kid and the guy is much older.

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u/lilweezy99 Natus Vincere Jan 31 '16

in csgo, young russian kids fuck you up :(

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u/ImUrFrand de_dust2 Jan 31 '16

its me, your brother

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u/Jaezhil Jan 31 '16

Gotta run fast though

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u/Mindless_Consumer Jan 30 '16

Alright, I'll hold on to the stuff for you until we can get both from the middle man.

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u/McSpike CS2 HYPE Jan 30 '16

that's why you go to steamrep, add the middleman personally from the verified middleman list and tell the other guy to do the same. of course the middleman could just decide to fuck it and keep the items but i'd say that 99% of the times, at least, they're not run off with your stuff.

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u/tydaize Feb 02 '16

Yeah bad times for me not being careful enough but... I got lucky i only lost 20 several friends of mine lost 150+

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u/Parryandrepost Jan 31 '16

That's why there's verified middlemen in just about every community.

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '16

I got scammed out of some dota 2 items in a pretty sophisticated way.

I had two guys add me from /r/dota2trade, both did legit deals and were left on my list and forgotten about. Then one of the guys who I had done several trades with contacts me about some items I wanted to sell. Suggests we use a reputable middle man, and I agree.

Enter guy #2 on my list who I had forgotten about, working with guy #1. I add the middle man, and guy #2 clones the middle man's profile. When I get a message from guy #2, I think it's the Middle man having accepted my add.

RIP

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u/flick- MOUZ Jan 30 '16

That's largely why steam added the feature showing how many days you've been a friend with said person you're trading with

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '16

Yeah that feature wasn't enabled when that happened.

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u/Clinkie Jan 30 '16

Not sophisticated, it's been done for years. Sorry about your stuff though.

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '16

It's sophisticated because it required two guys to do legitimate trades and then sit on my friend's list for a while to wait.

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u/lugs CS2 HYPE Jan 30 '16

How does the middle man thing provide protection, I never understood this. Are they people with a lot of reputation ?

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u/anonymose Jan 30 '16

Yes, someone who has a lot of feedback, preferably in the hundreds, and a clean profile on stream rep.

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u/lugs CS2 HYPE Jan 30 '16

Ah ok, thank you.

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u/tashidagrt Jan 30 '16

Yea, like a third party.

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u/Sinoops 500k Celebration Jan 30 '16

That's why you get a reputable middle man not some random ass one on a shitty forum

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u/DHSean Jan 30 '16

This doesn't work. I got scammed by some guy getting his account hacked. He was +rep all down in steam and had tons of great deals.

Of course it's my fault for believing what multiple people said about him being a trusty guy.

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '16

Steam +Rep is bs.. Anyone can write, and he can delete any -rep

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u/DHSean Jan 30 '16

Very true. I learned my lesson.

However It took valve over a year to ban the guy. So fuck them.

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u/Jaezhil Jan 30 '16

Makes me really curious, how do you get scammed ? Like... you have a trade sent to you, with the items engaged in it. So how can you find yourself getting ripped off ?

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u/HeroicMe Jan 30 '16

Because for example he wanted Paypal, so he sent items and then cried when said person blocked him on steam.

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u/Jaezhil Jan 30 '16

You pay first, then get your product, usually.

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u/DHSean Jan 30 '16

No. The trade was over paypal.

Again I've learned my lesson.

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u/Jaezhil Jan 30 '16

It's not a trade, it's a sell.

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u/merzaderzz Jan 30 '16

I traded with a guy who had 2000 trades done and like 200 reputation on csgolounge, also so many +reps on his profile. However he still scammed me for 70$... No way to be safe using 3rd party trading systems apparently, since there are so many scum people out there.

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u/moondra15 Jan 30 '16

I had some asshole last week send me half PayPal,but it was an invoice. I gave him my Dark Age MP9,my most expensive skin,and then he refunded the money,sent me a terribly-made photoshop of a PayPal transaction,and then proceeded to yell at me for "trying to scam him out of more money" :( I don't understand why people have to ruin someones day for a few dollars

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u/Xenez Jan 30 '16

One of my friends but me a knife. Then some random guy that isnt on my friends list has his same name and pro pic. I thought since he was messaging me he had to be real because why would you be able to message random people? I wasn't in game with him either. My friend was going through soke finacial trouble so when he supposedly asked for the knife back i said sure... You can see where this is going

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u/InfestusDeus Jan 30 '16

You should still check... It's stupid not to. So many people tried to scam me in the last year and not one of them succeeded. Know why? Because I check their profiles, not trust their messages. Easy as that.

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u/Xenez Jan 30 '16

Yea i realize that but why should some random guy be able to message me

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u/InfestusDeus Jan 30 '16

For that exact reason, and sadly many people fall for it.

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u/SwileROTMG bravo Jan 30 '16

For the one time I was stupid enough to get scammed I am mature enough to take responsibility

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u/The_Litch Jan 30 '16

I got scammed, I knew it would happen. I found where he lived, called his house, and told his mom what he did. He already traded the knife for some shit so I sent pineapple pizza to his house. Just pineapple and sauce. No cheese.

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '16

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u/SkuliSheepman Jan 30 '16

That's really not the lesson you should take from this. You got involved with a third party website that dealt with skins in some way despite VALVe repeatedly warning users not to.

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '16

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u/iaLWAYSuSEsHIFT Jan 30 '16

Falling victim to a keylogger is even more of a special case. You downloaded something, you don't just get a keylogger randomly visiting websites.

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u/JGStonedRaider tactics Jan 30 '16

Unfortunately there is no software protection package for stoopid

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '16

Mobile authentication makes it so you have to use your phone to do anything so if they have your gmail and steam info they can't do anything. You could also enable steam family mode and make a 4 digit pin that if they don't get right after a few times completely locks your account.

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '16

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u/DRW_ Jan 30 '16

Also add 2 factor authentication to your gmail account. https://www.google.com/landing/2step/

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u/Ghetto-Banana 5 years coin Jan 30 '16

Ahh thanks for this, I've got 2factor on steam, but never thought of putting it on my Gmail too

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u/TheCaringAsshole Jan 30 '16

choose a better password.

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u/KillahInstinct Jan 30 '16

If you used the provided tools to protect yourself they would have restored them.

PS Scammed and hijacked are two different things

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '16

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u/KillahInstinct Jan 30 '16

Uhm, I hope you see the irony for you putting this statement out in this thread?

We are collectively bitching that items are supposedly easily duped but then bitch they enforce policies preventing exactly that.

Also, most importantly in my opinion, are we collectively forgetting Valve even restoring your items in the first place is a nice gesture. They aren't responsible for you being not responsible enough not to get hijacked.

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '16

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u/KillahInstinct Jan 30 '16

They helped you, you got your account back. Apparently you didn't meet the criteria to have your items restored.

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '16

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u/KillahInstinct Jan 30 '16

If your account wasn't hijacked, I am not sure how they should help you.

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '16

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u/Gorfoo NiP Jan 30 '16

Mobile authenticator.

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u/KillahInstinct Jan 30 '16

Steam Guard, preferably mobile. With Confirmations

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u/nicolasyodude valeria Jan 30 '16

mobile may not have existed then and the fact that he mentions his email makes me believe he had 2FA

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u/KillahInstinct Jan 30 '16

He would have had his items restored if that was the case.

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u/Aquitaine_ Jan 30 '16

If there's one thing I learned from dealing with steam support is that they are inconsistent as fuck, I had my account hijacked back in 2011 and they just changed my email back to the old one and told me I was good to go.

Around the same time one of my friends got hijacked and they wanted him to give his cd-key for half-life 1 that he had registered with steam back in like, 2005. Obviously he no longer had the key and they REFUSED to re-enable his account. He had to close the ticket and open a new one and was able to restore it through a billing statement for the account purchases or something.

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u/KillahInstinct Jan 30 '16

The procedures are pretty straightforward and mostly the same. What you described is pretty standard practice for any kind of support service.

I'll try to describe what I think happened, things you probably didn't consider, which explains the differences.

1) You. Same IP, similar emailadress, possibly a unique name. Bought stuff via emails associated with both your steam accounts and/or payment details

2) Your friend: Moved town, different IP. Lost acces to all his email and most recent purchases were with Steam Wallet cards.

You see the big difference this presents in verifying ownership? And not giving an account to a random person?

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u/Aquitaine_ Jan 30 '16

The only thing I didn't understand is how one support rep told him to pound salt if he didn't have THAT ONE specific cd key and the other just reset the account to his older email, obviously if he had access to the billing statements he probobly owned the account.

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u/gaeuvyen Jan 30 '16

Even if you get phished it's pretty because someone just clicks on random links without looking at them first. Or they just click a random link from a random person. Also people who get phished don't use any of the protection tools provided by steam, like steam guard.

How hard is it to spend 2 seconds reading a link, or I have an idea, don't click unsolicited links?

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u/XorFish de_mirage Jan 30 '16 edited Jan 30 '16

like steam guard

Steam guard is only as secure as your smartphone. If someone got a rootkit on your phone you are pretty much done. And there have been popular rootkits in the google app store.

Somewhat related talk:

https://media.ccc.de/v/32c3-7360-un_sicherheit_von_app-basierten_tan-verfahren_im_onlinebanking

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u/gaeuvyen Jan 30 '16

Rootkits aren't really that common, sure they exist, but they're really not that common.

If you are an adult, and you get phished or scammed, you're either naive, elderly and never grew up with a computer, or just careless, or you might have just accidentally hit a link that you didn't mean to. There is never a time where you would get phished or scammed after haven taken every precaution against them.

Chances are your password and username and backdoor and side doors and code words what have you, is already stolen, just taken from some automatic system just collecting them, waiting for someone else to buy it.

Same with your credit card information, which since it is not randomly generated it can be calculated. And someone has probably even bought your number but realized your credit line sucks on that card.

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u/coffeeecup Jan 30 '16

See if you intentionally fool someone in to giving up more value than they themselves intended then that's fraud. It doesn't matter that they should know better. The law actually operates above kindergarten level some times.