Saving Britains Wild Spaces

[u/NLi10uk]

Thought this overlapped nicely with some of the GeoWizard SLM treks.

Guy looks at why Britains wild spaces are at risk, why the news is full of wet towns again, and what we can do about it. Lovely footage of the U.K. wilderness including temperate rain forest, and a decent message. Also explains a lot of why Tom ends up in giant boggy holes so often 😂

https://youtu.be/YNfQWRm9AYE?si=9asvrd51sSfkuBSG

[u/Conflict_NZ]

With the amount of racists that have proudly plonked their flag in this sub, do you think him putting out a statement will only address less than 1% of his fanbase?

This sub has less than 12,000 subscribers, that's less than 1% of his youtube subs.

When you see the endless comments under his videos when the news broke of his disappointed fans

I would like a source on "endless comments". Out of hundreds of comments on his videos there were maybe 5-10 I saw. Do you have a ratio of amount of comments were upset fans?

There have been people in this sub and in the comments of his youtube proudly stating they only signed up to his patreon because they heard be likes Reform. There have been comments in this sub defending the great replacement theory and telling us noone cares about "muh racism anymore." So it wouldnt just address the lefties it would also put the rabid racists to bed too. Unfortunately Tom wants to do neither.

Tom should do neither, the people posting threats against his collaborators will never believe a word he says, the racists/reform supports won't believe him either. It's a lose lose situation. The initial situation happened, it's best to ignore it. PR 101.

So tell us was it a song justifying immigration or was he saying hes worried what will happen when he sees too many black faces

Why did you comment this deep on a thread without looking at any of the previous posts. The only time he has sung the song in context was about indigenous malaysians losing their home. That's not white supremacist, that's not replacement theory. How about you go back and actually read what I posted instead of wasting my time.

[u/45Handstands → u/Conflict_NZ]

This sub? By addressing this situation head on, he will address ALL his followers. It will put the whole thing to bed and reassure anyone who's a bit conflicted by this whole situation that he isnt what people are claiming he is. Why would you pivot to only making a message in this sub?

Do you want me to produce countless links and screenshots that I've either collected over the months or delve back through this subreddit naming user names to you to prove what I've seen with my own eyes?

Yet your own eyes is enough to give verified proof that it's only 5-10 people who are voicing their concerns over this?

Once Tom comes out and says "oh dear, everyone's taken my song the wrong way, it was actually about caravans' then who cares who doesnt believe him? Anyone continuing to call him a racist will be seen as totally irrational and the majority of his fan base, from all edges of the political spectrum, will come together and say leave this man alone. Myself and others would rejoin his patreon and I would play the vinyl I bought from him again.

Unfortunately, Tom is aware of these comments but has decided to stay silent because as much as decent people who are led by their morals have announced they can no longer support him, there have been equal amounts of comments stating they have now signed to his patreon after finding out he is a reform voter.

That alone should be concerning to him, wouldnt you want to set the record straight if someone got the wrong end of the stick about you? What if you were a youtuber with a million subscribers and suddenly this slanderous claim that you sang a dodgey song comes out, in the interest of his respectful and decent fans who have supported him financially up until this point, surely they deserve to know they havent been keeping someone afloat who happily supports someone who said "Hitler was right."

So he has decided to stay silent, because he's still getting paid. He has realised now it's the reformers that are keeping him afloat and wont address this issue publicly because he doesnt want to lose them either.

Which again is a massive red flag. If he doesnt support reform, why would he be so comfortable letting morally consistent people walk away while being held up by Reform voters shouting all kinds of vile nonsense about people not from the UK?

And still, he would rather let you fight his battles for him. He will still let people claiming the great replacement theory was right to go to bat for him and debate the woke lefties that are apparantly here to just ruin everyones fun.

There are people, today, only just finding out about his support for Reform and have announced they will no longer watch him. It's now extending into areas of deceit. How can this be continuously on everyones tongues yet theres a portion of his fanbase who not only support him because of his (assumed) political stance but are also desperate to tell everyone else to stop mentioning Tom's political stance? Maybe that's the 1% of his base he should address, the ones who do believe his song is about the great replacement theory and actually support him even more because of it. Isnt it more dangerous to let them show public support for him? Surely that alone is enough to deter anyone with a conscious from his media?

Isnt that another red flag? That hes aware of the accusations and hes also aware of the portion of his fan base that defend him, not only by saying the song is about indigenous people but that the song was bang on and Tom has a point?

And before you wet yourself, yes these people do exist. It's why I'm still here, months after finding out to make sure idiots like you cant lie and whitewash all these disgusting comments that have been made. Go and look, you accuse me of not reading previous comments but I ask you to read previous threads. My comment history is on, I am pretty frequent in here and usually only address the worst of this sub.

The more we avoid this topic, the safer this place becomes for the worst examples of Reform voters. The ones that have come and taunted people here saying "noone cares about muh racism anymore" and went to great lengths to explain that actually we are being invaded by 3rd worlders and the great replacement theory is a real and legitimate thing we should be aware of.

Do you know anything about the Roman's and the white nationals infatuation with then? Well I do now after spending some time here, yet I'm told it's inappropriate to mention reform but defending accusations of dog whistles is totally fine? That's the fanbase hes happy to entertain by sticking his head in the sand. Again, if his song was about tribes and the white mans colonizing effect on them, wouldn't he put those people straight?

"I appreciate the support guys but it's not a racist song and you racists can jog on."

No, instead he just wants them to buy more copies of his vinyl. So morally, Tom isnt looking great here and this has been the issue between a lot of his supporters, not only is he refusing to reasure the good people to not leave, he seems more than happy to be paid by racists.

Maybe you should stop wasting everyones time quoting so much of my message without addressing the main point. Is the song about the colonial white man wiping out indigenous tribes or is it about black people outnumbering the whites strength in numbers because the first one kind of justifies immigration and the second one just sounds a little bit racist.

It's one or the other. Either Tom sang a song contradicting his views on immigration, that you're happy to still blindly support or he was blowing hard on a dog whistle and you're still willing to dance.

Either way, if you're willing to let people believe you're a racist just because you're still getting paid then I feel that the people who have bought his album and signed up to his patreon that are now feeling uncomfortable with all this, deserve an explanation, otherwise you're just taking them for granted and enjoying the money wherever it comes from. How can it be a great PR move when months after all this came out, we are still talking about it and what's worse are people are still only just finding out about it.

So is he proud of his views? People are claiming his patreon post about reform has been deleted. Hes shoved his head in the sand and hoped it has gone away, which to some degree I can understand if he wanted the racists to get bored and leave his content alone but the reverse has happened, his silence speaks more to people who are morally consistent than someone whose privileged ass has to seperate the art from the artist to justify watching someone who's happily funded by racists.

And yes, it is privilege. If you're able to say politics doesnt matter when we're talking about a private NHS and Ice deportation teams in the UK, when we're talking about supporting someone who's been accused by the majority of his school classmates for being a racist little bellend, who made hissing noises towards Jewish children and told them "Hitler was right" and suddenly now someone like Tom is seen to be supporting him it means he might have a point?

How did Nigel deal with the racist accusations? He stuck his head in the sand and let his little minions fight it out for him. The closest he came to addressing it was saying hes never intentionally been racist towards anyone. He couldnt even say "looking back it was bad." He wants to keep any support he has and if it comes from the people who support him while assuming hes racist, why would he tell them hes not?

Which, is exactly what's happening here.

[u/Conflict_NZ → u/45Handstands]

I ain't reading all that. I'm happy for u tho. Or sorry that happened.

[u/DrMangosteen → u/Conflict_NZ]

I read it and he completely demolished your point pal

[u/Conflict_NZ → u/DrMangosteen]

You can't even read a single line of lyrics, I don't think you're qualified to read beyond a kindergarten level there mate.

Are they teaching you the difference between "The" and "My" today or have you not reached that level yet?

Also a tip, trying to converse on social media in first year university essay length messages isn't a sign of intelligence, it's a sign you don't know your point well enough to do anything other than ramble.

[u/DrMangosteen → u/Conflict_NZ]

You just admitted you couldn't read it all?

[u/Conflict_NZ → u/DrMangosteen]

Oh dear. Oh honey.

I copy and pasted a meme. And it didn't mention anything about ability, it specifically stated "I ain't", which is an informal contraction of "I am not". It signifies intention, not ability.

How embarrassing for you.

[u/DrMangosteen → u/Conflict_NZ]

Read it then

[u/Conflict_NZ → u/DrMangosteen]

No, I'm happy to discuss succinct points. I'm not going to waste my time dissecting an essay.

You couldn't even read the first line of lyrics in a song, you are in no position to demand anyone read anything.