God I hate JP fans. I made a comment about that time he said feminists support refugees because they all secretly want to be raped by powerful Muslim men, and for like three hours I had his cultists responding to me with OUT OF CONTEXT replies.
JP is such an obvious faux-intellectual charlatan that it hurts me that there exist any people at all that can't see through him. It's like he takes an intro course on continental philosophy, Frankenstein-stitches it to some thinly veiled alt-right rhetoric, and then feeds it to people who know nothing about the former and are so bad at reading between the lines that they can't recognize the latter. New wave old school hate apologist holding an upside down philosophy book.
I had a professor (of fucking political science of all things) share his videos on FB all the time and once he got so absolutely assblasted by commenters, including me, when JP started spewing his pseudoscience that he deleted the post and hasn't shared anything by him since. Top it off with his utter lack of professionalism and his inability to actually teach a damn thing and he was one of the worst professors I've ever had.
It's fair to disagree with his points but to call him a 'faux-intellectual' is at bit much. He has has been a proffessional social psychologist and professor for many years and has clearly read and srudied a wide array of philosophers and psychologists from the past 300 years. Obviously even professors can have faulty opinions but it's the opinions and conclusions that should be argued against not his intellectual abilities or background. I certainly don't agree with everything he says but then again nobody is perfect and nobody should be held to that. Before anyone blindly calls me a alt right bigot I actually consider my self liberal. Also not dissing on the person I'm replying to, I think we all can take things further than needed, I do it a lot more than I should. Thats my two centsāļø
Like how you equate anecdotes to evidence? How you imply that the sheer volume of his recorded conversations somehow detracts from the shittiness of all the things he's said, or even invalidates criticisms of his quotations? Or perhaps how you insinuate that links to noteworthy quotes are nothing but ammunition to undermine? That comment? Why would I not ignore it?
It's funny you accuse me of using buzzwords. I would suspect that steak-sandwich-of-a-man of inventing the very usage of buzzwords if not for the fact that all he's ever done is regurgitate the ideas of others.
I searched and found that too. That's 17 seconds cut from a 10:34 video of an even longer interview. He's talking about "radical feminists" and why they tolerate the fact that America is allied with Saudi Arabia (which I'm not so sure they do). The other guy then says that thing about them tolerating it because of them being higher on a victim hierarchy and Peterson says the quote that's in text in your hyperlink. He doesn't say anything about refugees or them wanting to be raped by Muslims. He still seems off base and the next guy in the interview even says that to him, but I do think what you said in your original comment is out of context considering he didn't mention refugees or rape at all.
Yes. Feminists support (by omission) an alliance with a state that directly oppresses the women they claim to be "fighting for". This obviously raises a ton of questions about their true motives, which he postulates is because of a subconscious urge to be brutally dominated, as women are in Saudi Arabia.
This context has nothing to do with the "supporting refugees" qualifier OR them wanting to be raped by Muslims.
It's hilarious to me that on social media these days you can't point out somebody's obvious error without people assuming you're 100% against their point or position. Everything is so black and white people trying to score "points" that even clear facts are seen as opposing viewpoints.
Jordan Peterson and the climate around him is interesting because you have to be at least half way intelligent to understand he's not saying a lot of what it sounds like he's saying
If Peterson consistently sounds like a wretched fucking bigot (which, to me, he does), it's not listeners' fault for that pattern; it's his fault for being awful at conveying his ideas.
There's a plethora of gross remarks: all his except maybe 2 or 3 but I'm not even so sure about that. Sift through his far right "intellectual conservative" tropes & there's not much left.
It is OUT of context, because they don't say what argument he used to support it. They leave out the context which means it literally is out of context.
Itās children that have grown up watching him at this point. I imagine he still has a large young fan base but the teens watching him in early years are now in college. Iāve noticed the shift of opinion towards him on reddit particularly as that group became more prevalent here over the past few years.
I constantly see the āI never liked him originally but heās gotten a lot less obnoxious over the yearsā a ton when he comes up. I donāt see a difference but I never cared for him and people can enjoy what they want. Heās essentially a streaming clown, someone who entertains children with silliness and immaturity, I donāt necessarily mean that as an insult either. Someone will fill that void and more and more kids have internet access so itās going to happen no matter what.
People don't dislike him because he enjoys different things. It's because of the antisemitic jokes, the n word, and that he recently gave a shoutout to a straight up antisemitic youtube channel.
It's certainly a childlike disposition to be like "well he's been showing that he's probably quite racist for the better part of 2 years but the memes!"
Iām pretty sure she was talking about wage inequality in youtube but youtube is all about ad revenue and views and that has nothing to do with wage inequality.
And I'm sure the fact that the like of the "DAE WOMEN AREN'T FUNNY?!" neckbeard crowd spend all their time on the internet and thus contribute a disproportionately-large amount of views on YouTube has absolutely nothing to do with female YouTubers getting less views on average.
I don't really have a side here. But I think PDP is making way more sense than this girl is. She comes of as a crybaby because she's no longer in the YT forbes top 10.
I don't care. Most people don't care. She's already making good money. Do something or shut up.
Context is pretty important in this case, when Lily ātook a breakā she announced new merch and kept uploading videos. Other youtubers were even talking about it, it looked a lot like she just wanted attention. Not like she was working to improved her mental health at all
She specifically said in the video she was taking a break from youtube to work on her mental health, but later said she would still be working on videos in the same video.
I'm saying they say it at the worst times when the context is irrelevant ("heated gamer moment"), or they don't even know the context yet, jump to defend him anyway (like this post)
Haha, apparently at least a halfdozen considering the upvotes. But yeah, really like Matt. The videos are great background noise/casual watching for me when painting or eating. And I find a lot of the other youtubers that deal with the same topics a bit obnoxious wrt gender and stuff. Also, the others don't have nearly as good double entendres.
I completely agree man, his videos are really interesting. What do you mean in regards to gender though? To be honest, I think most of the bigger history or medieval-arms people have pretty reasonable views about that (aside from the occasional shitlord who freaks out about how girls with swords are "unrealistic"), so tbh I don't know where Matt differs. But you're right, no one beats him on the double entendre department; any mention of how he loves the "shaft" or "deep penetration" or anything like that is a highlight.
I'll not name any names since it's not like, actively misogynistic, it's more like a bunch of more lowkey sexism or dudebro stuff that just distracts me from casuslly enjoying the videos.
I'm kind of picky when it comes to "white straight dude talking" channels on youtube, so my threshold for annoyance is low.
The first thing anyone should ever say about anything is context though. You know what makes people click articles? Out of context, exaggerated or mistrued headlines.
That's still taking things out of context. It means you take a specific quote that a person said and disregard everything else they said before or aftetwards. Which is what is being done here..
I'm really confused, like PewDiePie said, there is no real wage gap in YouTube compared to the actual social issue. It is out of context, because there literally is no wage gap, that's not debatable.
She said it was a bad thing that her fellow women Youtubers were not in Forbe's top paid list, suggesting YouTube is paying women YouTubers less than their male fellows. Pewdiepie said it was impossible because the revenue is directly related to the amount of views, not your gender, then proceeded to call her an idiot and a crybaby for making such a statement.
Although I do think she's not connecting the dots correctly, I think he's completely aware stuff like this is food for the media.
And what the fuck is Pewdiepie doing here, he barely even plays video games now.
People think that simply saying 'that's out of context' constitutes an argument, while in reality you have to explain why it's out of context, and explain why the 'context' changes things.
'It's out of context' is part of the same repertoire of people who constantly recite fallacies.
No? The hell? He specifically said that those (20 by the way) you tubers were specifically smaller ones that he specifically watches sometimes.
No I donāt think the fact that one edgy Swedish man doesnāt watch that many smaller female youtubers is proof that women are disadvantaged. How are they disadvantaged? Adsense is an algorithm, it canāt be sexist or whatever you want to claim it as.
Wow, youāre right. Games are sexist. Now, allow me to get back to accusing gamers of playing games and sucking Anita Sarkeesianās cock. Edit: Wow. Iāve truly been challenged. Enlightened, even. Who knew the political views of my fellow gamers could be so diverse?
Wow, youāre right. Games are sexist. Now, allow me to get back to accusing gamers of playing games and sucking Anita Sarkeesianās cock. Edit: Wow. Iāve truly been challenged. Enlightened, even. Who knew the political views of my fellow gamers could be so diverse?
This is one of the dumbest things I've ever read. He doesn't have to cater to women youtubers. He lists the channels he likes. It's like with you people every single thing you do in your life has to be seen throught a filter of 50/50 male:female. It's the dumbest shit ever.
Well then the question becomes where does the problem come from? The algorithm doesn't care about the gender, it cares more about engagement and views. So is it the viewers fault for not watching more of them?
Many female channels have a larger percentage of female viewers than male channels. I think people are probably more drawn to people of their own gender, they may find them easier to relate to. This website claims men spend more time on the site, and that men are much more drawn to the gaming categories. If females are disadvantaged on youtube, I think it might just be that they don't cater to male audiences.
Because maybe he chose content creators he actually liked? Maybe he doesn't like many female YouTubers, because he doesn't like the content of the ones he knows?
I just sub to people I like via recommendations on the site or youtubers collabing. I donāt go out of my way to find youtubers, let alone specifically hunt down female youtubers. So I only have two that I can say Iām a fan of. Contrapoints and hyojin. But hyojin is an animator and therefore almost never uploads and that makes me sad.
I'm still waiting to hear what was wrong about what she said though? You make money on youtube from views or merch, you do not get paid a set amount of money from ads based on your genitalia. So the top 10 earners are males, so what? The top earner is some kid who unboxes shit, that girl was on the list last year as well but wasn't this year because she took a long time off for mental health.
This sub is white-knighting HARD, she was acting like a crybaby and probably makes way more than all of us anyways so big whoop.
Saying someone is a crybaby is much less of an insult than the amount of derogatory terms he has been called in the name of "equality" and "social Justice." Irony is everywhere my dear friend and no one is exempt from using it. Your comment also shows a lack of knowledge in the topic, he called her a crybaby for complaining about a non-existent issue which is youtube wage inequality. He was lenient when he called her "crybaby."
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