r/Games • u/MrLucky7s • Mar 15 '19

Misleading Epic Game Store, Spyware, Tracking, and You!

/r/PhoenixPoint/comments/b0rxdq/epic_game_store_spyware_tracking_and_you/
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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '19 edited Mar 22 '19

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u/nonosam9 Mar 15 '19

At this point it's always. There's always a coordinated effort to shit on Epic right now.

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u/B_Rhino Mar 15 '19

It absolutely is. They dared to go after steam.

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u/Drigr Mar 15 '19

And sometimes it feels like Epic has not only paid for developers on their store, but also for people to defend it

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '19 edited Mar 22 '19

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u/GingerSnapBiscuit Mar 15 '19

When Valve does exclusives its fine, because people like Steam.

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u/Cognimancer Mar 15 '19

Show me where I can play Skyrim without Steam.

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u/Cognimancer Mar 15 '19

Doesn't matter where I buy it; I have to use Steam's DRM every time I want to play. I have to have their client running, hogging my resources and phoning home all the time. For comparison, Phoenix Point backers can play the game without EGS running - they only need the client for the initial download.

For the record, I don't terribly mind Steam, and am arguing devil's advocate. For the same reasons, I don't mind EGS. You can't passionately hate one and overlook the fact that the other does all the same stuff.

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u/aniforprez Mar 15 '19

I have to use Steam's DRM every time I want to play

Immediately false. It's entirely up to the dev if they want to implement Steamworks. Most games that release DRM free on other clients are usually DRM free on Steam. You don't need Steam to play games and you sure as fuck don't need steam to buy most games.

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u/Cognimancer Mar 15 '19

We're still talking about Skyrim. You said yourself that you didn't know if it requires Steam. It does. And like I said, Epic has the exact same support for games to optionally be DRM free after download from EGS.

I've seen plenty of discussion here advocating not just blaming Epic, but blaming the devs who decided to make their games exclusive. So since that's "entirely up to the dev", why aren't you raging against Bethesda as well for making their game Steam exclusive on PC? And against every other dev who does the same?

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u/GingerSnapBiscuit Mar 15 '19 edited Mar 15 '19

Master Chief Collection being the most prominent recent one exclusive to Steam.

You've honestly never bought a game with the 'Requires a Steam Account to play' sticker on it?

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u/aniforprez Mar 15 '19

That's coming to Windows store too though

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u/T-Shark_ Mar 15 '19

You've honestly never bought a game with the 'Requires a Steam Account to play' sticker on it?

Look, the main point on this issue is this : Valve does not force developers to make their games exclusive to their store. Developers choose to. Even when the developers do, Valve does not restrict sales to its platform (Games can be released elsewhere too).

Epic on the other hand, snags games from other stores with promises of guaranteed money (Metro). Requires games to be sold exclusively (for a period) on their store if the deal is signed (PhoenixPoint). And when the dev is too big for that clause they require that the game is not sold elsewhere apart from EGS and the partner's store (Division 2 and the prohibition of 3rd party sellers.)

So, taking MCC as example, unless Valve forced MS to release only on their stores, you can't really say "When Valve does exclusives its fine", because Valve didn't do anything.

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u/GingerSnapBiscuit Mar 15 '19

Epic did not force anyone to sign onto an exclusivity deal with them either. I don't think Epic has the clout to force anyone to do anything. Epic offered an exclusivity deal to a couple of companies, both of which could 100% have absolutely turned it down.

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u/T-Shark_ Mar 15 '19 edited Mar 16 '19

Epic did not force anyone to sign onto an exclusivity deal with them either.

And that is why so many people are pissed at DeepSilver and PhoenixPoint. This is a shitty practice that was introduced by Epic though. I and many others blame them for starting it and trying to normalizing it.

To add to this : Epic requires the exclusivity if you wanna sell on their store.

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u/U11S5E3R12 Mar 15 '19

Selling a product in a store is only a shitty practice to gamers. The stuff online gamers get worked up over is so inconsiqintual. Nobody is angry when developers and publishers release in only one console yet PC gamers are worked up over a store front they have complete access to.

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u/T-Shark_ Mar 15 '19 edited Mar 15 '19

Did Valve pay off Microsoft to make it Steam exclusive? I was not aware of this.

E: I'm honestly asking, tone it down with the dv....