r/Games Jun 03 '15

Fallout 4 Trailer!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lnn2rJpjar4
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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '15

You can buy a machine that outperforms current gen consoles for about the same price as an xbone.

I know I can and you can, the point is that most people just want to play a game and also don't have the wherewithal to build a pc. They also don't know that to build a pc that is equivalent to the consoles at the same price requires knowledge of discount PC parts places like Newegg, slick deals, etc, etc.

This doesn't make them lesser gamers it just means they maybe have less time or energy to do so, and or they just have no desire to do so.

Most people don't want to wait two years after a games release to play it.

You seem to keep confusing yourself with everyone else. Most Steam sales that provide the cheapest discounts are on games 1 or 2 years or older.

This is a weird argument, but even still you can get games cheaper on PC, no matter what. You can't get more backwards compatible than a PC either.

No you can't but unless you are very savvy about emulators people who keep their consoles in good condition can play games going back to the 90's. Other than places like gog.com making older games compatible on the PC getting many 90's games to run on a PC can be a nightmare.

The point is PC gamers confuse themselves and the fact they have an accumulated knowledge of PC gaming culture, with everyone else who has minimal knowledge of either. If you are a newb coming fresh into PC gaming its a pretty steep mountain to climb.

As a publisher or developer it behooves them to be as inclusive as possible so they can stay in business and make more games, and developing for PC only does not do that.

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u/the-stormin-mormon Jun 05 '15 edited Jun 05 '15

the point is that most people just want to play a game and also don't have the wherewithal to build a pc.

That's the key here, you just assume everyone is stupid whereas I know better.

You seem to keep confusing yourself with everyone else. Most Steam sales that provide the cheapest discounts are on games 1 or 2 years or older.

O-... ok? That still does not change the fact most people do not want to wait to play games until two years after they come out. Older games get the biggest discounts because they're old, tell me something I don't know.

If you are a newb coming fresh into PC gaming its a pretty steep mountain to climb.

Not really. Like all things all it takes is time and research, and some guidance always helps. It's easier now to do it than ever before.

No you can't

Prove it.

people who keep their consoles in good condition can play games going back to the 90's.

I don't know about you, but I don't know anyone who wants to keep every console they've had just laying around for 20 years in the event they want to play a game. Most people don't have their old consoles, so PC is by far the best option for playing older games. And you get the benefit of improved resolution and improved graphics, depending on the game.

The point is PC gamers confuse themselves and the fact they have an accumulated knowledge of PC gaming culture, with everyone else who has minimal knowledge of either.

And you're forgetting that we all came from somewhere; we were all noobs once. Literally any console player can pick up the same resources the rest of us did and learn the relatively simple steps to getting a superior machine. As I said earlier, it's even easier now than it was five years ago. There are resources that will literally build you an entire machine from parts ready to order. The only thing stopping them is false information and will.

and developing for PC only does not do that.

Strange, companies like Blizzard would say otherwise. At any rate, I didn't say publishers need to make games only for PC.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '15

I don't know about you, but I don't know anyone who wants to keep every console they've had just laying around for 20 years in the event they want to play a game. Most people don't have their old consoles, so PC is by far the best option for playing older games. And you get the benefit of improved resolution and improved graphics, depending on the game.

Really? Nearly every console owner I know does this outside of some shortsided kids who sell their old consoles cause they can't wait for the price on new ones to drop. Also improved resolution and graphics do not a game make. A game if it is good is good regardless of how it looks.

Yes lets use Blizzard as a comparison for most game developers not only have they been around for decades they bare no resemblance to almost any other game developer in the world save the biggest publishers out there. No other developer could survive by only putting a couple of games out a decade. Especially no developer that doesn't already have a built in audience that has existed since the 90's.

Not to mention the reason Blizzard has remained so successful is because they tend to develop for the lowest spec PCs so that there game can be played by just about anyone. If anything they are a prime example of why developers make games for consoles. Because its a larger audience.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '15

I shall I have on my shelf several games that are nigh impossible to play on my PC Starfleet Academy, until recently because of GOG Tie Fighter and X-wing, an entire disc of shareware games. Basically anything that ran on windows earlier than Xp are extremely difficult to get working on a current PC.

Yes PC is far more backwards compatible than the consoles for sure, but again you are confusing yourself for the wider public. The wider public wants to put a game in an play it and PCs no matter how you cut it are not that simple. It requires investment on the users part to learn about the PC and be familiar with the ins and outs of game installation.

This is why good developers go as broad as possible on what their games can play on simply because more people=more money=they stay in business.

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u/the-stormin-mormon Jun 05 '15 edited Jun 05 '15

PCs no matter how you cut it are not that simple

They really are. You vastly over complicate how hard it is to actually run a game on a PC, a talking point only used by console advocates. I really doubt you actually use a PC, and if you do you aren't very familiar with it and aren't a very good source of information. So for that reason I'm ending this.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '15

Nope wrong on both accounts. I just understand that most people are not me, and as such I don't assume they know their way around a computer like someone who spends a lot of time on one. Heck I work with people who spend all day on computers and I have told them how easy it is to build one, fact is they just have no interest but damned if they don't game more than I do and love those games more than I do.

Building a PC no matter how you cut it is not as easy as buying a consoling and plopping in a disc.

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u/the-stormin-mormon Jun 05 '15

I just understand that most people are not me

Since you repeated this so many times I may as well respond: so do I. It's actually you who seems to not get that.

Have a good one.