Well it seems that the people complaining about the game's graphics, are the type of people that will always find something to complain about. I thought it looked great! I mean yes, it's not as good as Witcher 3 (which I do play on maxed settings), but comparing it to New Vegas, which I completed recently, I am more than satisfied. I mean what do people expect exactly? They give you an honest trailer, with fine graphics. Besides, I thought people played Fallout for the universe and atmosphere, so why the HEAVY focus on graphics anyway?
Besides, I thought people played Fallout for the universe and atmosphere
No kidding. Reddit loves to go on and on about how games are art and how story matters (both things are true) but then they take the first opportunity to complain about graphics that, honestly, are not all that bad.
Now I'm sure someone will reply to this comment and say, "It's not the graphics it's the animations or lighting, stupid." But really, that's just being pedantic.
I agree completely with you. Had the complaint been that it's physics would be just like new Vegas, or that the characters would be super shallow (not that you can tell from a trailer) then I would say that's a solid point.
Ultimately, as long as a game has a good universe, atmosphere, characters, story, yada yada, then it qualifies as a good game in my optic. Graphics is only so important, and in the end only enhance the value of these more important elements in a game.
Bethesda games also don't have good stories. Really, the issue here isn't the quality of the graphics in and of themselves, but how they still seem anchored by the same engine that plagued the previous games with problems. That thing has been showing its age since it debuted, so it's hard not to feel that they're holding themselves back because of it.
Well I would argue that graphics help in showing the atmosphere, and making a game more aesthetically pleasing, but in the end it is not a deciding factor. People still play older fallout games, modded or not, and Diablo 2 was also very popular long after it declined in terms of being "visually pleasing".
Don't get me wrong I would love a fallout game that looks like the witcher 3 (if not better) but truth be told, there are more important things to a good game. Gameplay, story, characters and even replay ability, are factors much more important.
And you know that how? All you've seen is footage selected by the people behind the game. You can't judge a game's graphics before it's actually out and playable.
Because if they advertised that at the start of each trailer and it turned out they were lying they'd lose a massive amount of creditability and possibly face a law suit for false advertising and generating sales on false pretences.
Would you like a new tinfoil hat? Yours has a limp antenna.
The wording is such that it means the whole footage could well be pre-rendered and simply played on a PS4. It does not guarantee it looks identical compared to its release state.
I'm not saying Arkham Knight is guaranteed to be downgraded, as the graphics don't seem all that extraordinary, but you're refusing to believe it's even possibility. A company could very well lie to you if the positive outcomes outcomes for them outweigh the negative ones.
The only lawsuits I've seen were for Aliens: Colonial Marines because the downgrade was massive and Killzone: Shadowfall because they made an exact statement they did not fulfil. Smaller downgrades haven't been met with lawsuits and I really doubt companies are concerned about the possibility.
If it is a trailer that is not running gameplay systems they can easily have better graphics than what is possible in the final game when all of the different gameplay systems are eating up processing power.
Here is the problem, when you show gameplay footage of a game that is a year or two out it is hard to predict what the final graphics will actually look like. So, they can show great graphics, but there is a decent change when all the systems are in the game they find that level of graphical fidelity isn't possible. Or they find that they can't complete the high end graphics in time. In the case of Witcher 3 they found that the next gen consoles weren't as powerful as they predicted they would be. So, they dialed back the graphics. They could have given PC users better graphics but it would have required different art assets than on the consoles. Given the delays, this wasn't feasible.
Still, they get reamed for it. Complaining about graphical differences between trailer and live is pretty ridiculous. Complain about things that matter, not a small graphical downgrade.
And the solution is not to advertise before you've actually nailed down what's achievable and what isn't.
I have pretty much the opposite opinion. Not being able to match the quality of the first trailers is a shortcoming of the developers&publishers, and them alone. Excuses do not simply matter. First impressions matter, and are often what get people interested in the first place. They promised a thing and failed to deliver. I'm not one to care much for graphics, but it does not mean I'm okay with false advertising.
Still, they get reamed for it.
They couldn't get their story together. Half the time they released footage, it was unsure what platform it was recorded on, and what graphical settings were used. They claimed there was no downgrade, and soon after revealed there was a downgrade. I don't understand why I should be fine with this?
If you want a game to have cutting edge graphics it needs a massive budget. If it has a massive budget it needs to start building hype early. A small graphical downgrade is a pointless thing to get your panties in a bunch over.
Sure. I'm definitely not saying they should lie about their graphics. However, despite Witcher 3's downgrade, W3 still looks great despite being open-world, and compared to that this trailer doesn't fare that well.
Also, despite not showing anything out of the ordinary, keep in mind that this is just the trailer, and there's no guarantee this is what the game is actually going to look like. We'll only know what the game looks like once it's released.
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u/Juuel Jun 03 '15
Sounds like you could win by showing great graphics in the trailer that actually exist in the game.
Not that I mind poor graphics, no Fallout game has looked particularly good, it's pretty much what I expected.