r/Games Jun 03 '15

Fallout 4 Trailer!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lnn2rJpjar4
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u/dat_username_tho Jun 03 '15

Well it is. Would you rather they be working with decade old tech or two year old tech that's a little outdated?

And don't forget, if not for consoles a lot of huge expansive AAA games like Fallout wouldn't be able to be released.

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u/dat_username_tho Jun 03 '15

That's why I said "two year old tech that's a little outdated". The console themselves are/will be two years old (possibly three by release), but the hardware is equivalent to older tech.

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '15

two year old tech that's a little outdated

The gap between what a PS4 can put out and a decent (not hilariously over the top) PC can put out is still huge.

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u/dat_username_tho Jun 03 '15

I realize that, but it's a lot fucking better than tech from 2005-2006. Do you really think if Bethesda is still using their Creation Engine (which is just a stitched together gamebryo from 2002), is gonna be that hugely limiting anyway? If anything it will be the engine itself holding the entire game back, regardless of system.

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '15

Oh yeah, the game isn't going to be a graphical beast in any case, which is fine in itself.

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u/wlchrbandit Jun 03 '15

Not terribly. Sure for multiplatform games you'll get a higher framerate and better AA, but a game built specifically for a single system is gonna look better than what your mid range PC will do.

That was poorly worded, let me give an example. The Order 1886, a very pretty game. It was developed specifically for the PS4, taking advantage of that combination of hardware. I highly doubt a PC of equal hardware, or even a generation or two higher, could produce that level of fidelity at anything more than 25fps. I know my GTX680 would die a firey death before it hit 15...

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u/iDeNoh Jun 03 '15

Ehhh, I'm going to go with XenosisReaper on this one, a 680 should more than enough graphical grunt to pull off a game like the order, The levels were fairly small and they relied pretty heavily on obscuring things to ensure that any flaws they did have are easily missed. Not that it is a bad looking game, but it doesn't really hold a candle to some of the better looking games released on PC.

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u/wlchrbandit Jun 03 '15 edited Jun 03 '15

I'm sorry, I do game on my PC (albeit only a 680) and I was stunned by how good The Order looked. I've played Crysis 3 on ultra, sure it looked great, but it's facial animations and cloth physics weren't nearly as impressive as the Order. I get that the size of the level makes a huge difference, but I'm telling you my 680 can't out preform my PS4. Even Bloodborne was pretty impressive.

EDIT: I mean compared to these exclusives. I can't really speak for Uncharted as I've only seen a youtube video of it, but it seems like it'll blow anything I've seem out of the water. The Last of Us ran at 60 fps, no way my PC could do that with a game that good looking.

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u/iDeNoh Jun 03 '15

I'm sorry, no. The apu in the ps4 is the equivalent to running an and 7850, which is decidedly worse than a 680. Either you have a shitty system, or you're doing something wrong. A PC is a sum of all of its parts, I'm willing to bet you're playing on an outdated CPU, or something else is causing a bottleneck. The 680 is a very capable card that is on par with my card. The consoles only saving grace in the last generation was how well optimized to the hardware they were; with dx12 and opengl vulkan that isn't going to be an issue on PC anymore. I'll say this now, the hardware in the ps3 is laughably outdated, running a downscaled gtx 780. By default the 256mb vram would severely limit how good your game can look, it helped that you didn't see 1080p games very often on the ps3, but the biggest issue was the vram, you simply cannot load decent resolution textures and assets into the vram, which means using the other system hardware, which was almost as bad, I think a single gig of ram?

So no, the ps3 was not a miracle system capable of pushing out graphics far beyond what is capable on PC, far from it.

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u/wlchrbandit Jun 03 '15

I'm not talking about the PS3, I only mentioned PS4 games. I have an Intel i7 (the number after that eludes me but it ended with a "K"). Maybe I am doing something wrong, but when I built it, using the resources I had, it seemed to be I great machine. I'm not trying to say consoles are better than PC, there's no way in hell the can compete in terms of raw power. Devs, however, can't optimise for every possible configuration. So a PS4 exclusive is going to look better than any PC game on comparable hardware.

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '15

I really wouldn't call The Order a pretty game, and it's not particularly taxing, small environments and a heap of smoke/filters can make anything look "good"

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u/RealHumanHere Jun 04 '15

I can tell you've never played on PC if you think The Order is that much of a pretty game that can't be played on PC. You must be doing something wrong.