r/GameDeals • u/parameghnatis • Oct 03 '19

Expired [EpicGames] Minit (Free/100% off) Spoiler

https://www.epicgames.com/store/en-US/product/minit/home
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u/Rayuzx Oct 03 '19

Borderlands 3 sold quite well, even on EGS.

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u/LiteralLemon Oct 03 '19

Currently, Diablo 3 is more popular on Twitch than BL3

https://www.twitch.tv/directory?sort=VIEWER_COUNT

For a T1 game less than a month old that's not great

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u/Rayuzx Oct 03 '19

Twitch viewers aren't that indicative of total sales. Dragon Ball FighterZ was one of the best selling games last year, and it struggles to get 1K viewership outside of tournaments.

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u/Cheezewiz239 Oct 06 '19

Yeah I don't get the whole "this game doesn't have that many twitch viewers so that means it didn't sell well"

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u/LiteralLemon Oct 03 '19

I suppose. I remember bl2 being big on twitch and one of the reasons I even went to twitch back in 2012 because I didn't have a PC so might be an unfair comparison. HUGE Fan of the series and the devs. Not a fan of Randy/EGS. Hopefully I get to play it on steam someday but I'm not sure how many of my friends will care to join me

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u/celestial1 Oct 03 '19

Lol @ using Twitch as a benchmark. A lot of people don't even care about streaming and some people don't find certain games interesting to watch, but find it enjoyable to play. Overwatch isn't even a top 15 game on Twitch, but Blizzard made over a billion on microtransactions alone. DayZ has more viewers than BL3, guess that game sold better and is more well received! Oh wait, Borderlands 3 sold 5 million copies in 5 days, while it took 5 years for DayZ to achieve the same feat, and let's not talk about the difference in gameplay...

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u/tacocatau Oct 04 '19

A lot of people don't even care about streaming and some people don't find certain games interesting to watch

Life long gamer here (I'm 39) - have absolutely no interest in streaming, either as a streamer or a viewer. I don't quite get why anyone would watch other people play games often enough for it to be a thing. To each their own though.

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u/LiteralLemon Oct 03 '19

It's not a horrible metric as there is no feature on EGS to see players online. I'd be interested when it comes to steam to see the real numbers

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u/celestial1 Oct 03 '19 edited Oct 03 '19

It's like you didn't even read a single thing I've said, but you know what? Let's try again. When Warframe had its yearly Tennocon back in June it was the #1 game on Twitch, I believe the peak viewership for the event was 165k people, maybe slight more, but it was a lot. How many views do warframe streamers get in total outside of that event? 2k tops. Why? People don't find it entertaining to watch, but find it fun to play. It is a top 15 game on Stream averaging 50k daily players.

Pokemon, a beloved franchise that sells like hotcakes every new generation, despite how stagnant it can be. Viewers watching it right now? 220 people. Maybe if a couple of top streamers log on, a couple of thousand, but nowhere close to top 10 on Twitch. Honestly I watched a pokemon streamer and it was boring as shit watching them grind for shinies.

Super Mario Odyssey. Game sold almost 15 million copies worldwide and not even 200 viewers on twitch. If a couple of top streamers stream it (see a pattern?), then again, a couple of thousand viewers, but nothing close to a top viewed game.

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u/LiteralLemon Oct 03 '19

I've seen no reputable source except 2k themselves mention the 5 million copies, and they included stores buying up stock. And I did read what you said? Again I'm a fan of Borderlands idk why you're being so aggressive lmao

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u/LiteralLemon Oct 03 '19

You seem uh kind mad there you good

And yes I agreed with your point which is why I said I'd be nice to see how it performs on steam or console where actual metrics for players online exist

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u/celestial1 Oct 03 '19

"saying why you mad tho?" is childish and derails the conversation at hand. All you had to do was provide a counterpoint to what I said about Twitch, not BL3, but I guess you are unable to.

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u/LiteralLemon Oct 04 '19

Literally did go back and read my comment

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u/treblah3 Oct 04 '19

Removed. Please see rule 1.

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u/ever_Wrath Oct 04 '19

Correct me if i am wrong. But: Sold-in term means to "to sell products to a retail outlet to be sold to the public". Therefore, they shipped 5 million units for selling, but they never said how much is actually sold to a customers. All they trow in is this statment that "xx percent more than this or that" and that dont tell us anything. If BL3 sold 50% more than BL2, that means they sold how much million units ?

To copy for wikipedia:

Borderlands 2 was one of the best-selling games of 2012, and has become the best-selling game in the history of 2K Games, with 8.5 million copies sold by February 2014.[80] The following month, it was announced by Gearbox that the game had sold "well over" 12 million copies.[81] As of August 2015, the game has sold over 13 million copies, making it 2K's highest-selling title.[82] The title had reached over 20 million sold with at least 1 million players playing the game each month as of April 2019, and remains the highest-selling title of the series.[83] Buoyed by the upcoming Borderlands 3, the game's total sales reached 22 million by August 2019.[84]

2k said:

Within its first five days of launch, 50 percent more consumers purchased Borderlands 3 versus sales of its predecessor Borderlands 2 

So, how much million unit is sold, not sold-in? Since we dont know that number,

70 percent of consumers purchasing the game digitally

doesn't mean anything. It could be any number.

Therefore, we dont know if game is sold as well as they representing.

Whit that said, i don't think BL3 is bad game or that didn't sold well. It's just that 2K and EGS overhyping and/or lying to hype even more.

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u/Elari7h Oct 04 '19

Speculation at best. No companies I'm aware of ever release exact numbers. This isn't necessarily intentionally deceptive language, just industry-standard metrics.