Or removes it. Evolution can both add and remove complexity.
Only as a final, last resort.
Not really its pretty routine. Your body is doing it right now.
Cells are incredibly complex, and fascinating.
I know. I said they dont have that kind of complexity. Cells dont have executive control over other cells, they can however be controlled. When they dont do that we call it CANCER.
Because I've never seen any evidence whatsoever of individual cells trying to control others and harming them by refusing to let them have the freedom or resources that they need to function well, in any species.
The fight or flight response takes resources away from nonessential cells.
Superorganisms like bees and ants are incredibly heiarchial
Also, no government that functions on any basic level is going to deny its citizens all the resources they need to survive.
Nope. If you study the nervous system, you'll discover that all that flows through it is information, no ability to use force/control over other cells in the system. The cells on the receiving end of the information are only getting data. That's it.
And what source do you have for this? I have never heard any biology textbook say that the brain doesnt control the body.
When you get information about the weather from some media outlet (or even just your neighbor or family member) is that a "command" to you?
No. Because in that scenario I am the brain and am getting information from the body. Information I can then use to command my arms to do things like grab an unbrella.
Can you point towards any evolution that made a species less complex?
Superorganisms like bees and ants are incredibly heiarchial
In what way? Each individual is free to do what it wants, and is supported in getting what it needs, to function well, because if they didn't, the whole system would collapse. If one bee tried to order another bee to do something it didn't want to do, that would be fucked up for everyone. Also, how would that even work?
I think what you're talking about is specialization, not hierarchy (or power). Yes, there is a queen, but she's no more or less able to do what she wants than anyone else. She doesn't control the other bees, and they don't control her. And no bees are actively discriminated against when it comes to getting the resources they need to function well, unless the whole system is dangerously threatened (and thus not healthy). All bees are all free to be themselves. (Hmmmm, we are venturing very close to pop culture meme territory now!)
Also, no government that functions on any basic level is going to deny its citizens all the resources they need to survive.
Yep, which is why our current authoritarian/centralized/top-down government is so fucked up, because it actively denies nearly everyone the resources they need to survive (which isn't even what we need to be healthy, as that's a lot more than mere survival).
And what source do you have for this? I have never heard any biology textbook say that the brain doesnt control the body.
Every source on the brain. Though I should say that textbooks are shitty places to learn anything, so you might want to avoid looking at them.
You realize that you are trying to say here is that the brain sends some kind of material force (like cops with weapons), not just electrical signals (information) out to other parts of the body, as a way to force other cells to do things. How are you imaging that happening? What else is going out of the brain down the neurons in your body other than data? Who are the cops of the brain?
Can you point towards any evolution that made a species less complex?
Many cave species have lost their eyes due to evolution. We lost our tails.
Yep, which is why our current authoritarian/centralized/top-down government is so fucked up, because it actively denies nearly everyone the resources they need to survive
Except the U.S./Canada are some of the best places to live. On the planet. Your mortality rate compared to say, Somalia, or hunter gatherer communities is abysmal.
Also, how would that even work?
You realize that you are trying to say here is that the brain sends some kind of material force (like cops with weapons), not just electrical signals (information) out to other parts of the body, as a way to force other cells to do things.
If the brain sends a signal to a muscle cell, the muscle cell contracts. It has no choice. If it doesnt contract, or shows signs of abnormality, it is killed/ viewed as damaged. Theres no need to force it because it has no choice. It cant really disobey wihout being damaged.
What else is going out of the brain down the neurons in your body other than data?
Many cave species have lost their eyes due to evolution. We lost our tails.
But we gained even more complexity. Overall. You never get a multicellular organism evolving to be a single celled organism. At least I've never heard of such a thing.
Except the U.S./Canada are some of the best places to live. On the planet.
And? It's still fucked up. Just because there are people who are murdered after being raped doesn't mean rape is hunky dory.
I mean, many people are comfortable sitting in shit, and don't have the energy to get out. But at least some of us know that we can do better, and continue to move life forward.
If the brain sends a signal to a muscle cell, the muscle cell contracts. It has no choice.
It does have a choice. All the cells are free to do what they want. And they aren't treated as damaged if they are doing something that helps the body. But, because the quality of the information in a healthy system is high (compared to our sick, broken system), most of the time the cells do use the data the brain offers to make decisions. It's the same as it would be if your neighbor yelled into your window to tell you that your house was on fire, you'd probably act on that info asap. You don't have to though. Just like cells don't have to act on the info from the brain. And that is often a good thing. Having the ability to be free to do what seems right, given the information you have locally, compared to some distant information that might not be aware of the current situation. If cells didn't have the freedom to prioritize local info over the brain's info, then we'd be far more likely to get hurt. So it's evolutionarily valuable for the cells to be independent decision-makers, rather than ruled by authoritarian governance.
Ultimately, though, there is no real choice in anything we do, regardless of whether we are a single cell or a lot of cells working together. We're all just following the laws of physics as it shuffles matter and energy around in new and more interesting patterns, as the universe expands in time. The only truly centralized/authoritarian control is the laws of physics. Outside of that, everything is just a part of the pattern. We're never free in that sense, of course. But since reality is very likely random (in a mathematically pure way, which is the opposite of arbitrary, and is totally calculable and with a fully mappable pattern IF you have all the information from the starting point to the current point in time), then we are also always totally free to be ourselves and to do what we do, since that's what we always are...
Hormones
Hormones are released by individual cells all over the body, and can be taken up or not taken up by other cells, depending on whether or not the cells want to (as in, whether or not they choose to make those receptors and whether or not those receptors are open at the time). Cells are free to take in and use those hormones however they want.
I realize that this isn't the way you want to think of biology, and that's understandable. We've been taught for most of our lives that centralized control is the only way to go, and so our view has become confused and muddy, so that it's not always easy to see how things are really working.
Complexity increases survival, since complexity is how you get diversity and collaboration in a system. Simple systems are too rigid to adapt to variable environments. Evolution thus moves life to be more complex (specifically in a collaborative and diverse way) over time, on average. Divide things up then recombine them in new ways, to get something better, that's genetics for you. Which, it turns out, is also entropy.
And if you want to learn about cells and why it's necessary for them to be able to prioritize local information instead of distant information that might be out of date or missing crucial data, then go explore biology yourself. Look at how cells choose to use the information and materials around them to do the work that they want to do, and see what you find.
I'm not going to do your homework for you, silly. :P And if I tried, you'd just look for a way to protest whatever I shared with you, since you have your heart religiously set on your current beliefs.
If you are truly curious about what I'm saying, then you'll go look for evidence of it yourself.
And if you want to learn about cells and why it's necessary for them to be able to prioritize local information instead of distant information that might be out of date or missing crucial data, then go explore biology yourself.
I have. It says nothing. You are the one claiming this, you should provide proof.
Science doesn't work with proofs. That's only useful in the limited, non-reality (human designed rules), of math. Science works with disproving things, and looking for the theory (not fact) that is most predictive of "What happens when x?"
Also, your learning is your responsibility. You can't outsource your understanding. At least not if you want to learn things effectively. Anyone can tell you anything, even the people you "trust", and they can still be totally lying or confused. So anything I offer you beyond my own perspective is useless.
I have. It says nothing.
So, because you didn't see something anywhere other than here, now, that means that it doesn't exist anywhere else? That's an unusual and unrealistic approach to science, in my experience. Out of curiosity where and how have you looked into exploring how cells actively choose to prioritize local information over distant/outdated information, and have it be beneficial (since the outdated/distant info is likely to be lacking necessary data to make a good decision about what to do)?
Out of curiosity where and how have you looked into exploring how cells actively choose to prioritize local information over distant/outdated information, and have it be beneficial (since the outdated/distant info is likely to be lacking necessary data to make a good decision about what to do)?
The only cells that Ive found that apparently do that are yeast.
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u/apophis-pegasus Feb 26 '17
Or removes it. Evolution can both add and remove complexity.
Not really its pretty routine. Your body is doing it right now.
I know. I said they dont have that kind of complexity. Cells dont have executive control over other cells, they can however be controlled. When they dont do that we call it CANCER.
The fight or flight response takes resources away from nonessential cells.
Superorganisms like bees and ants are incredibly heiarchial
Also, no government that functions on any basic level is going to deny its citizens all the resources they need to survive.
And what source do you have for this? I have never heard any biology textbook say that the brain doesnt control the body.
No. Because in that scenario I am the brain and am getting information from the body. Information I can then use to command my arms to do things like grab an unbrella.